The Power of Karmic Astrology with Vika Bradford

Vika Bradford is your Pluto-ruled, Karmic guide into the underworld of the stars. 

She helps people remember who they are with astrology. 

Vika shares a fluff-free astrology study that liberates you from whatever is keeping you from living on your terms through practical and easy-to-understand teachings that will help you unlock your cosmic codes. 

Vika doesn’t want you to only study astrology. She wants you to figure out why the f*ck you came here, help change the world, and find peace, fulfillment, and freedom through the stars. 

Open your heart and receive.  There is so much potency in this episode:

• What Karma is
• What Karmic Astrology is
• Healing with Pluto in our birth chart
• Navigating Pluto transits
• What is a Hades moon and how you heal with “her”
• Collective healing with the mother wound
• Collective emotional healing generationally with Pluto
• How Astrology is a powerful tool for healing
• Vika’s Karmic Astrology courses- AMAZING!

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Transcript

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Welcome to the untamed soul podcast. I am your host, Rachelle Embry, the founder of radiant vibes. I am a spiritual mentor and intuitive energetic alchemist for you, your animals and your soulful business. This is a podcast devoted to soul activation and embodied entrepreneurship. It is an exploration of inspirational humans who are leading the path to a new earth. Along the way, I will share intuitive insight and practical wisdom to inspire infinite potential in every area of your life. I am so excited to have you on this journey, so together we can become untamed. Hello, before we get into today's interview with Vika Bradford, I want to share a little bit about what's going on in my world. My offerings and some ways that you can connect with me. A few new things have happened and more is going to continue to transform, evolve, and birth out into the ethers as this year moves forward. But first I want to talk about an upcoming membership collaborative between myself and Jenny Kahn over at the medium experience. I had got the download for this community earlier this year. I thought it would be something that would happen later on in 2024. And I wasn't sure how it was going to play out, but it became clear that this would be a collaboration with a phenomenal soul. I didn't know who, and Jenny and I are actually in Vika's karmic astrology course together. And as I got to witness Jenny's powerful intuition and the way that she speaks and channels through Through the energy and through the divine is truly magical. I knew that this was the person Jenny and I have a lot of polarity in our astrological charts in our world, the way that we feel and move through energy, the way that we, share and channel energy. And so we're bringing this polarity in, but it's so divine because we're both. Very intuitive beings and we operate in such different and unique ways that it's going to be a full experience for you guys. We want to bring a space where women are seen. They are felt they're heard. You get to fully express. We get to open up to conversations that are. Truly expansive for your soul's evolution, stepping into higher self frequencies, opening up your channel so that you too can like really feel divine and your own intuitive empowerment. I feel like collectively we've been in such a, a trench of like always doing the inner work and it's like, can we just get to liberate ourselves from that? Can we get to make this light? Can we make to get to make this fun? Can we go to the depths? And, and also heal from this whole ideal that we're always going to have to do this deep inner work in order to feel whole and complete, because that is not really what true power is. Jenny is phenomenal at speaking and working through the shadow, inner child work, chakra balancing. And she does her own energetic transmissions that are deeply profound in healing. And then I also bring in similar dynamics, through astrology, through energy, through frequency, through soul activation, through animal communication. And together, we're just going to bring all this in there are three calls a month for sure. If not more, because knowing Jenny and I, when we get these sacred hits, these divine downloads that come through where we're like, we need to share this, this is the platform that we're going to do it on. So you will get all of that. You're also going to receive access to a lot of masterclasses and courses that you would have to buy separate these calls where you'll actually get time to ask questions, you'll get time to share experience. You'll even have time to tap into like my intuitive channel. If you want wisdom around things that you're moving through. So it's sort of what they call live hot seat coaching. Our welcome call is February 3rd, which is just perfect. It's the day before my birthday, my solar return. It's at 10 AM CST. And this is a welcome in the energy and for everybody to come in, who would be like the foundation of this experience, create in the energy with each other and feel the empowerment of this container. And we are doing something awesome where we are only offering your first month for 22 so that you can come in and truly get an experience for what this is going to be like. I am so confident you're going to love it. It's hard to put this type of container into words because so much of it is intuitive. It's channeled, it's frequency, it's energetics, and it's really hard to put words into this. It's truly something you just have to. Hop in and experience. So that's why we're doing this. Your first month is 22 thereafter. It's 222, which is still phenomenal because you are getting literally like so much, like Jenny and I are going to bring so much here for you guys in your journey for empowerment and truly getting to release this whole paradigm of always being stuck in the healing journey. That is not our desire for you. We want to liberate people from this. So if that appeals to you, please. Hop in. I'll have the link down here in the show notes. Send me an email. If you have questions, I want to answer if you're like, I don't know about this. What is the deal? What is this actually going to be? How is this different from my one to one sessions with you? Send me an email and I will happily talk you through that. So with that said, let me just go ahead now and introduce lovely Vika Bradford. Vika Bradford, let me just tell you, she is a badass astrologer. I connected through her and I'm going to be talking to you today about searching on information around Hades moon, which is the depths of where I go through an astrology and that is how I found her and I just immediately was so drawn and attracted to her authenticity, her elegance and speaking and the way that she shares her wisdom is so grounded. She has this uncanny ability to teach and share astrology and ways that we can really comprehend it and understand that. And I feel like you're going to, feel that through this episode. She is Pluto rolled a karmic guide into the underworld of the stars. She helps people remember who they are with astrology. Vika shares a fluff free astrology study that liberates you from whatever it is keeping you from living on your own terms through practical and easy to understand teachings that will help you unlock your cosmic codes. She doesn't want you to just study astrology. And this is what I love about her. She wants you to figure out why you came here, help change the world, find peace, find fulfillment and freedom through the stars. She's really here to help liberate you from these challenging karmic placements and help move you through this energy. Get ready. This is a loaded conversation with so much depth, and I cannot wait for you to dive in and share your feedback, share your biggest takeaways. Lots of love to all of you, and here we go. Hello. I'm so excited to be here with you, Vika, today. I just want to go into a little bit around how I came across you, how I found you and your beautiful energy, which I'm just like so grateful to have in my world. It's like a kind of like a puzzle piece that sort of like put things together for me. When it comes to the realm of astrology and the way that I came across because I, most of, you know, I talk a lot about Pluto and Pluto complex, and I have a heavy one and I started to go deeper into this and learning more about what is called a Hades moon, which I'm going to have Vika explained because she explains things in such an articulate way. That's easy to digest and that you all were all. Understand much more than if I did it. And so when I came across this and started Googling, I found this article that Vika had wrote, I don't even know how current or when it was. It was like, I don't even think it's linked to your website. And I think it's on my blog, but it's from like 2020. It's pretty old. And so it, she just went into this, this information that part of my heart was just like, I need to learn more about this. And it was about six months after my father died. And I, my mother has passed away over a decade ago. And so I'm clearing and moving all this generational stuff and, and just kind of like clearing space and my body and my energy field and my soul. And this was such a big connection for me and. When I realized what the Hades moon was, it was like a puzzle piece that was really missing to me and information around astrology. So Vika, do you want to first introduce yourself? Tell us a little bit about who you are and of course your sun, moon rising and your human design, yeah. So yeah, I'd be good. Bradford, a karmic astrologer is like the label I put myself on. If we're going to, I'm like always joking that, you know, I would hate labels, but then I'm like, I'm a karmic astrologer. So I own that label because I love it. So karmic astrologer by trade. That's my passion. That's Like the love of my life, which means I essentially go deep into, uh, the let's call it the ancestral DNA, the karmic DNA, the residue that lives inside of our bodies, our souls, our spirits that we bring in to kind of work through in this life. And it's all about liberation and reclaiming our power. Like that's my baseline is let's get back to our most powerful selves through the stars is kind of my work. Uh, sun, moon rising. Libra rising a Leo moon with a giant Leo Seum and a Virgo Sun with a giant Virgo Seum as well, and human design. I am a six two manifester emotional manifester, so I'm riding the wave every day. Ah, you have that six line too. I have it. Mm-Hmm, I knew you did too. I was thinking about you earlier today, and I was like, I feel like either you're a manifester or you've got a sixth line, like there's one of the two that I'm feeling for you. Yeah, definitely the sixth line. It's unconscious though. I'm really leaning into it. I think mine's unconscious. No, nope. Sorry. My two lines are unconscious. My six is conscious. Yeah. I'm a three, six, sacred generator, this is really cool. You already hit on so many things that I want to elaborate around and. Like the karmic astrology, I think a lot of people don't realize how powerful it is. I even had somebody just recently saying to me it was actually a client. She's like, you know, I'm kind of like, I don't really need to know any of this. And I don't see what this has to, I just have to find like deep inner trust within me. And I feel like that is so valuable and like we do that, but one of the ways that I found such deep inner trust and sort of woke up wisdom within me was diving into astrology and in particular, looking at the karma of the planets. And so I think a lot of people have this misillusion of like, when we talk about karma, it's all, we're only going to hit on this past life stuff or sort of this negative aspect of it. And, there's so much more to it. And so I'd love for you to elaborate more about that I love this too, because I feel like karma has such a bad, the word has such a bad rap. I don't know. Right. Well, like all we hear is karma is a bitch and you're going to get your karma. And like, that's what we grew up listening to about karma. And when I really felt into working at the astrology, those were the words coming through to me. It was like karma past lives. I was like, why am I going this way? Like what's happening here? Right., I was always interested in those things, but it got really loud. And so I started really feeling into, like, what is karma outside of the lens of karma's a bitch, or you're gonna get yours, or, and I was like, that's not actually what it is, right? That's cause and effect, right? That's, and karma can be related to cause and effect, absolutely, because our actions have consequences, or, not even con They have consequences and they ricochet and create patterns, right? but karma is really like this essence of what our souls are looking to heal, liberate, learn, discover. And I truly see us as,, there's a book called I think it's called journey of souls by Michael Newton. It's a great book about the space in between lives. And he described it as all these people over and over and over, we're going up into this space and deciding, you know, what they were going to do when they get back to earth, right? What they were going to learn, who they were going to meet, all the soul lessons, the contracts, all this stuff. And I really see us up there in like this liminal space being like, this is going to be my birth chart so that I can, Work through all the things I need to learn here on earth. So I don't even think karma is punishment. I don't see it as a bad thing. I see it as our souls going through their evolution in order to learn. what they need to learn. And sometimes that shit's hard. Pluto people. I know you see me. Sometimes that shit is deep and it's gritty and it's full of loss and grief. And sometimes it's not right. We see people that are experiencing lives where like there seemingly is no trauma and you're like, are you okay? Like I'm like, I, I don't exist in that realm, right? I always think about like Joey from friends and how Phoebe says to him, like you're brand new. It's not that he's really brand new. It's just like, he wasn't doing that in this life. Right. So that's kind of how I see karma. It's not punishment. It's not, it's not a bad thing. It's just us learning through, uh, what we need to learn through, which is often pain, which is often lost, which is, that's how we grow. Right. So that's kind of my philosophy on karma. Yeah. And I love that you mentioned through pain and loss, because I feel, yeah, definitely most of the people in my community have felt that through large degrees is one of the things I work with people a lot on is grief and navigating grief through pain and loss. And it's not just through death, you know, I mean, we have grief for so many reasons and, and maybe grieves for all parts of ourselves are sort of like dying away and moving forward. And that's, it's so funny. I've never heard that book, but one of the things. I think, you know, that's like, I channel, I channel energy and I channel frequency. So one of the things that has come through consistently, actually through the animal, through like animals and spirit is that there's this, that there is this soul, tribe sort of community, you know, and that we're all there, animals, humans, all of us together, and whoever that we've elected to come into this world with is, is like, we're here to teach each other. Through each other. And sometimes people navigate, they have really difficult, like you said, like your charts more difficult and more challenging and the expression of it because of what you're here to move through in your soul and learn, but it's like to learn, to take it back to that soul community and help clear it through there. So there's sometimes people I'll just use myself as a personal example. Like my father, you know, in this soul space, he, he came into this earth and. He was not very,, emotionally aware he has a, he had a really high sign of cancer frequency, but he never learned to drop into the feelings that our cancerian humans are here to do and learn through. He went to a lot of dysfunctionality and alcoholism and just numbing himself out. And he was actually really hard on himself. So that as a result to me had a lot of like. Yeah. Things I had to move through and around that and learning,, what does it even like to connect with male energy, with male frequency? And all men, I just was so uncomfortable with men up until like. Three, four years ago when I started dating again in my forties. And so that was a really interesting experience. The sort of that emotional neglect, you know, that I didn't ever get, I had to really learn that I had to learn to be there for myself and do these things. But my dad, like in this soul community, it's not like he was sitting there going like, I am so ready to give you this fricking lesson. I'm so ready to come down to earth and, and be this You know, alcoholic and and put you in these uncomfortable situations and your mother and your sisters and do all this like that's not that wasn't like an exciting. So we nominate ourselves like sometimes for these parts these roles that aren't always and we still have it's not to say that we don't come down here. He had free will he had free will to do. With his own experience, what he did with it and he did with it, what he did do with it. But that was still part of my experience to experience and grow through and learn through. And I feel like that's where, when we get out of like this, and I hate saying it like this, but this like victimization of my astrology chart lands in all this. Like, I mean, my charts kind of like effed up, but it's, you know, and I know yours is still Most of us in there do have a lot that we're, we're moving through. And so it's not that we're here to have this torturous life. It's more like, Hey, when you move through this, do you know the power and the liberation that you will have? And then. It's so cool because you get to take it back to the people. You get to clear it for your humans before you, by me moving through these frequencies, I clear it from my dad, I clear it from my mother. I help even initiate that clearing for my sisters who are still on here on earth and, and their generations. And then we go, when we. You know, pass on. We get to share this and we get to spread this and like, so I just see in such a different way and I'm glad that you brought that up. I'm going to have to check out that book. But anyways, it's a good one. It is, but I fully agree with you is it's the ripple, right? Of, I know some people are like, what's the point in doing this work? Like, what's the point if your family is all going to change or if this isn't going to change? And I'm like, the point is that you, we, we are rippling through not only our ancestry, but the collective too. Right. And every person you touch, yeah. Feels that ripple. Like you can see it when someone's doing their work, you feel it. And that impact comes to you. And you're like, shit, maybe I should meet this. Like the space that it doesn't have to be like the full body. Like I'm going to do this work, but those people feel this like interesting, what they're presenting to me is making me want to change. And then that change ripples. And it's just so beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. It becomes more empowering. And even for yourself, when you move through the energies, at least for me. And when I see, you know, clients moving through it, you can see such a shift and it's not something that's just like boom overnight. Oh my God, I had this one reading and it was so illuminating that that illumination is only going to sit for so long, you know, because like you have to then be able to go through and digest and process hear it through different frequencies through different paths and then ultimately sitting with it and your own contemplation and, and using, like, I love using astrology to shift and move energy. It's like using, you know, especially like we, we talked about Pluto. So we'll kind of move into that direction a little bit, because I think that's such a big one and, and also a collective. You know, planet that we work with. And I think yours is in Scorpio. Mine is in Libra. And so, yeah, so, so much of my evolution and having a Libra ascendant, a Libra rising with that Pluto there and my North node there, it is my destiny. I'm here to heal through relationships. And it was a very painful experience for a long time. And still, I still have things come through to me. I went through something recently and it was like, Ooh, okay. But it's always How much can I come back to trust in myself? How much can I come back to myself and not give my power, my energy away by somebody else's projections of me. And I think that's like such a good lead in through the Pluto, energy. I want you to dive into that and the Hades moon stuff. Yeah. I love what you said too, because you know, in, in. the house system I began playing with originally, like Pluto is in my first house, right? Implacitus, I play with both. Uh, you know, this year in my, my studies with me, we play with all the things, everyone listening, we have fun with our astrology and we don't put ourselves into boxes here, Aquarius., but yeah, I have Pluto on my first house as well, even though I've got that 26 degree Libra rising, but that, that energy, I feel very deeply with you, like. You know, I'm doing that self work yours is that lever work. Mine is like this emotional. I mean, it is relationships too on a different spectrum, but it's constantly that reclamation of self work that we're both doing with Pluto in the first house. And,, the destruction of identity, the transformation of identity, the having to burn ourselves down constantly to rebuild ourselves and find ourselves. But it's also why you and I are willing to go into those spaces that you just spoke about is like. Being able to receive the lessons and look at them from this outer lens, because Pluto is so, it's, it's, Pluto's so out that it's like, you know, it's beyond Neptune, it's beyond the liminal, it's like, you know, what Jung would call the collective unconscious, and even beyond that, it's the collective unconscious. So, yeah. Yeah. It's, it's so much deeper than we could even put words to and so wherever we have Pluto, it becomes this place where we can become victims more than the Neptunian victim. It's like we become, oh my God, like. lost in the hurt, or we become people who are willing to go to like literally to hell and back to under uncover what it is we're here to learn. Right. So I feel really deeply when we talk, we're both like, okay, we're going there. We're going to go into those spaces without. Well, there's going to be fear, there's going to be a little trepidation, but we're going to go there because that's what we're here to do, right? Is to get into the grit, and uncover. And that's what Pluto does. He uncovers, he reveals, I always describe,, Pluto transit, especially as he comes and he cracks the earth all around you so that you can see down into those holes or like, you know, crevices, canyons, whatever he's created. And you can put light there and see all the things that you have not. You know, you go through a Pluto transit. You're like, I thought I knew everything. And he cracks the earth around you. And you're like, Holy shit, what's down there. Right. All your fears, all your phobias, all your pain, all your trauma, all your powerlessness is in those cracks. And like, that's Pluto's magic. Yeah. It's pretty intense too. And it's, I feel like every time I'm going through a Pluto. there's a constant sort of like energy or cycle. Deepens it right now over the last year of had it going back and forth on my mercury at zero degrees of Aquarius. So, you know, at first I was like, Oh, this is so liberating. Like I'm finding my voice. I feel so my power. And then as it went back again, it was back in that, like pre energy as it was hitting that. I always feel like when we have transits, Hitting our placements. I don't know what you feel for me. I always feel it's more intense as it's leading up to it and then and direct onto it and almost when it hits it, it's, it kind of feels a little bit more freeing. And then I can move through the energy, but I feel like there's big aha moments when it hits it each time. Cause it'll be at least three times that it'll hit a placement. Sometimes it's four. I feel like every time it hits it, you're like, Oh, Oh, that's what you're trying to show me. Right. And then like it moves away and you'll be like, Oh, okay. Now we're going deeper into lessons or we're retrograding back. Well, you know, when it retrogrades back, you're like, Oh shit, I'm back in it again. Right. and then it hits it again. You're like, Oh. Oh, clarity, clarity. And then it goes again, right? It's like, a pendulum, kind of like between a little bit of peace, liberation, I'm doing so good. I'm moving forward. And then, ah, shit, we're moving back. This is icky. And it really does feel like that. It does. And it's interesting because I like, just to give that like, Oh God, like I normally am not like, Oh God, but I know it's coming, it's going to go back in a Capricorn again later this year. And I'm like, I just went through it. Like, I don't want to do it again, you know, but at least it's like a short time, but it has been. And I, the reason why I focus on Pluto so much is because in this, especially in like, I guess, as it pertains to this conversation, because in my community, the people that work with me, they move through a lot of change. People always say, when I, when I end up in your world, like so much of my life shifts and changes. And part of that is. Some of my human design being a right angle across to the Sphinx. And then part of that I do feel like as having that Pluto on the Ascendant but I noticed one thing that really And I, it's almost like, I hate to like own this, but I kind of do is like working with death, working with animals, transitioning, working with, humans, transitioning, and then a lot of the times people in my community have moved through a lot of death. They've had a lot of loss. And so they're, they're finding me on the tail end of it or in the midst of it, where they're really needing that support. And not everybody can hold that depth of space without going like, Oh my God, I'm going to die after this. For me, it's like. I can do this. I feel very grounded in it. And a lot of that is because of that plutonic energy there. And it's like, it's constantly evolving to do that. And I feel that it also. One of the things that really hit me about it through this, Pluto hitting my mercury and moving through this is like, and I have a Capricorn moon is that these experiences are going to keep happening to me in the intensity that they are until I learned to frickin feel it but I mean, really feel it, you know, feel the pain, feel the hurt and then truly forgive. Forgive, accept and forgive. And that has been a huge part of the last three months. And it's not only forgiving the circumstances, the people forgiving the universe. Like I, I didn't realize like, Ooh, that Pluto thing like comes in. It's like, Oh, you know, forgiving myself for even still continuing to put myself in some of these situations, you know, it's like, Oh my God. I just feel that this plutonium energy and all of our charts. Some more than others, it's just really, because it's also collective, right? Like you, you, you've said this before, and it's like, I think this one was 12 years with Capricorn. It was like, uh, 2008 to 2023, so like 12, 13, 14, something in there. Bing bopping, bopping around, 12 to 14, having a little party of retrogrades in there. Yeah, and then Aquarius is gonna be like, what, 20? Like, 20 years. I think it's 19 and a half. and that's not allotting for if it happens to bop back in, you know, one last time into Aquarius like it is gonna do in Capricorn in the fall. So, it takes its sweet ass time to work through us. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it's definitely like a, a really long energy and collective. So collective and yeah. So people don't understand like how important working with this, especially if you have it really prevalent and prominent in your chart, because it can feel, you can feel like a victim to life. You can feel like you're not. Like I'm not ever making strides, but the whole thing is you are here to transform through that energy again and again and again in life and feel it all. And it's. And, and then once you, we've learned to feel it. It's not so intense. You know, Relieve some of the intensity. It's like, okay, this is another cycle. I can do this because I've shown myself again and again, and I can do this and, I can hold appreciation and the duality of life, you know, for the joy and then this. Darkness to, you know, that goes through. And so there are positive points to the Pluto. I'm talking more like the harder frequency, but what would you say would be some of like the. I guess sort of like the power points of like where we can really transmute that energy. Yeah. I love this too, because you, you mentioned emotion so many times and with the Hades moon, like I'll lead into that with this, because emotions are coming up and we're like, okay, we're feeling your, your Hades moon coming out, my Hades moon coming out. and when we're working with like the, the, there's this low octave, which we've spoken about, it's the pain, it's the loss, it's the grief, it's the power struggles. Like, oh my God, it's power. Right. And anywhere in your life, this is where we meet. Like I feel powerless. And when we feel powerless, what do we experience fear? Like, right. It's just like fear because we want to control so deeply. And Pluto's low aspect. I love that you said manipulation because it's control. Right. And what do we do when we want control? Or if someone wants control around us, or if the world wants control, control us, they manipulate us. Right. So. And when we're like looking into these high octaves, I love what you said, because I always refer to Pluto as your power too, right? It is your power. It's the reclamation of power. It's the reclamation of your magic, because this is where it's been suppressed. This is where it's been taken from you possibly. Right? Like you're, I'm looking at your chart as we're talking right now, like yours in the retrograde. So we have like this, this feeling of power being taken from you. Right. and then sometimes for some of us, it's the power we abuse our own power. Right. That was a deep one for me with mine and my, I felt into my chart where I'm like, This bitch, me, I'm the bitch, abused her power in so many lives, right, or lost that power, lost control, lost all these things, and we gripped to it. But those high octaves are like, exactly what you said, when we meet the emotion, when we meet the depth, when we go to hell, right, like if we think about even like mythology, the amount of, you know, gods or mortals that went into a journey into Hades to get something always came out a hero, or came out a liberator. The literally myths were written about them because they went into the realm that you don't go to, right? To the point where like, there's very rare entrances into Hades and you have to find the right one and like know where it is and be led there. but the, when we go there, we come out the other side. Like, if we want to think about it metaphorically, like butterflies, literally, right? We go into the chrysalis, we die, we turn to mush. And that's the state when you're like, I'm never going to make it through this. I am mush. I am nothing. I'm in the chrysalis. Like, it's awful. And then you come out the other side and you're this beautiful butterfly. And you're like, how the hell did that moment? Make me free and it made it liberates us and not that Pluto is the planet of liberation I mean it that's more a Uranus frequency But the freedom that comes with going through our shadows because it's almost like we shake the shackles off of us But everything that's been holding you. I know the amount of Pluto transits. I've gone through Uh, it's a lot, but you know, in the last five years, I've been through some deep ones. It was opposing my Chiron. Then it was on my ascendant and squaring my descendant. but what comes out of the Pluto moments and being a Plutonian person is this constant state of rebirth. And if we can work with that properly, not even properly, that's the wrong word. But if we can work with that, with love and with curiosity, What we become strong and not as strong in a way where I'm like, we're building all this armor up and protecting ourselves. I mean, strong, emotionally strong, emotionally able to handle that humanness is painful, right? It's grief, it's loss. It's, it's highs, it's lows, but we, oh man, when we meet those emotions and we find that strength and emotional intelligence, life gets good because even when the grief comes, you're like, nothing is permanent. This grief won't last. This, even though I'll always feel, you know, the grief of a loved one, the grief of an animal, the grief of myself, as you mentioned, the self grief is a huge theme in my work. It doesn't, it's not forever. And there is a light at the end of the tunnel. And we almost become like eternal optimists when we work with Pluto in this way, because we know there's always something coming. It's always like something beautiful that can be experienced through the pain. I feel like that's why most people love gravitating toward me because we're like, all right, I'm in a shit storm, but. What's on the other end of it, right? It's like, it's like finding that tunnel, is one of the, the magical points of that energy. Does that make sense before we dive into, uh, the Hades moon? Yeah, no, I love it. I feel like you reflect that beautifully in your energy. Cause even, you know, when I had my reading with you initially and I was, I got to figure out who this woman is. And then I was like, I'm doing this karmic astrology thing. Oh, like, like when I decide on something, I'm like, Yeah. I don't ask questions. I just do it. It's just because asking questions is a waste of my mind, my mental energy. I can talk myself out of anything if I want it to. But I love that because I relate to how you mentioned that. I'm sure a lot of people listening could as like feeling powerless in life and truly feeling that it is a struggle and it's a constant struggle and when you sit with using the energy of Pluto in that sense and and these other obviously there's so much more the energy of our moon our Saturn our Chiron and you're speaking to so many other planets as well that all make up a huge Big part of our, energetic blueprint through the cosmos, but it's, sitting with that and, and, and feeling like, yeah, there is always this duality in life and there is going to be deep pain and deep grief. And you know what, I can still find myself a way to, as you work through it and you realize like, this isn't happening to you. It's really. I would say there's gifts and grief, I did a, uh, I think most people listening to this would probably have already watched it by now, but the journey about the, my entire journey, I documented of when I lost my last dog back last August, which is such a plutonium thing to do on the SNN. It's like, and I went through every feeling, every single experience every day, because I had that time to like move. Through that with her. And then even the gifts of what she still gives to me, even in this point and like the gift that I had and being able to see that lens, the gift that my father gave to me, his passing was a gift. It literally like it, it was the thing that happened that finally said, you have a clean slate. There's no more. You get to totally be free from all of this. And what are you going to do with it? Ray, you're going to sit here and feel powerless and live in fear. And I think most people would look at me and be like, what you live in fear. But yeah, there's a lot of things that I did hold back. I do hold back. And I lost myself in this process of the last year, not entirely, but a lot of myself, I felt like who the hell am I, you know, I don't know, but I had to really move through his energy and my energy and, and releasing all of this generational stuff, which is, you know, so much of that plutonium energy when we work with it and that. And now it's like, since October, I've been moving through the other side, but grief. My God, grief lives in your body in such strange ways. And if you don't acknowledge it, if you don't acknowledge those pains, it's, you literally are sitting here wondering why, and this is another layered topic, but why do I have this, this, this ailment in my body? Why am I so sick? Why can't I ever not find joy, which is another thing that we put exceedingly high expectations on ourselves. Always be in joy. Impossible. It's not possible. We have to learn to find that deep appreciation in those dark moments of what is the gift in this? I don't like. Lesson so much. I like, what is, what is the gift of this experience giving me and how can I learn from this and what can I take away from this and how can I actually empower myself through this energy and then create, literally, we're here to create, like, and what can I create from this, when you speak, I feel like little fires in the channel on a manifesto. I'm supposed to initiate. but I love this. I love everything you said. It's so spot on. because that's exactly it. And I like your, your phrasing of the gift and all of it, because I see it as a gift too. Right. Even though in the moment you're like crippled and you're like, Oh my God, even in like health issues, you know, I've dealt with autoimmune stuff almost my whole life. And, You know, it's very Plutonian. Very, like, very, very Plutonian. and, you know, until I started to realize that it wasn't physical. It was metaphysical. Things started to shift, right? And that's very Pluto. You know, every time I see someone that's Pluto in the sixth hell, I'm like Okay. What's going on in the body? And every single one of them has phantom health issues. And go, okay, cool. Like this is, if we could just start to see that maybe there is a physical, but if you've done everything and you've looked everywhere and you've worked with every doctor and every naturopath and every, like every healer in the whole world. And you're like, you still can't get to it. It's like, what's under the surface, right? Like what karma is linked to this? What phantom is sort of living here. So I love that you brought that up because it's so, so related and like bringing the Hades moon into this is like, I feel like a lot of people who have the Hades moon experience very deep, you know, psychic pain because this is an extremely psychic energy. Yeah. Yeah. The Hades moon. Okay. So for anyone that's like, what the heck's a Hades moon, you're going to go into your chart and you're going to look and see if you have a line between Pluto and your moon, or if your moon and Pluto are within 10 degrees. Okay. So either side of look at your moon. Is Pluto on 10, 10 degrees on either side or there's like two more I could drop in. is your moon in Scorpio? You're just a Hades moon outright, okay? If you've got the moon in Scorpio, I don't care where it is in the chart, you're a Hades moon. And do you have your moon in the 8th house? If you've got your moon in the 8th house, you've also got a Hades moon. So align between Pluto and your moon. Moon connected to Pluto by 10 degrees or eighth house or Scorpio moon. Those are your Hades minutes. Okay. So anyone who has that, I don't care what color the line is. some are more intense than others and like that's a whole aspect conversation, but you know, if you have a line there, you will experience some sort of. echo of this energy, you know, there are lighter experiences of it. I feel like what the, the person who really opened this up to me was Judy Hall. She's this amazing astrologer, karmic astrologer. Anybody loves karmic astrologer, astrology go down that road. That's where I say start is Judy Hall. She's like, and her work, she wrote a whole book on the Hades moon. And you know, when she started diving into it, a lot of people, uh, referred to this placement outside of, like, they would say, if it's, uh, a lighter aspect in your chart, it doesn't, it doesn't count. And she was like, no, no, she studied all these people, like hundreds of people, and she's like, it counts. Whether it's a trine, a sextile, or You know a lighter she's like it freaking counts, but some people are more ready to work through it Right, like you and I both have a square. So it's a little there's a lot of tension there, right? Whereas opposition a lot of tension so other souls that have say the blue line if you guys are looking in your charts right now and you're like there are blue lines and Red lines those blue lines might be more ready to work that shit out Than say someone who's got this big square and they're like, why are we always? Meeting this frustration. So the Hades moon itself, I call one of the deepest mother wounds and one of the deepest self love wounds, I would say like ability to,, accept your emotions and heal. So Pluto, as we've talked about is power control, loss, grief, transformation. Right. And Pluto is a, is like a very deeply emotional energy, but it's like. under the surface emotions, right? It's the stuff where you can't even see it. It's so deep. And then our moon is our emotions, our mother, but also our, it's, you know, I call it the emotional baggage from karmic past lives. It's also your body. Okay. So now we see how Pluto connecting to the moon brings in these phantom pains and physical ailments. Cause the moon is the body. It's also our ability to nurture ourselves. It's also safety and security and home. And when we have Pluto talking, what I like to call it, like conversations right between the planets. So when we have Pluto talking to the moon or the moon talking to Pluto, there's this deeply emotional, psychic conversation around. The need to transform, control, smother, like big smothering energies, big holding patterns of Often, and I would say 99 percent of the time, the matriarchal line and what it means to be a woman or a daughter or a mother, a lot of fear there, a lot of emotional turbulence in that line of smothering, abandonment, orphans, literally not having, it's almost like a child who is energetically removed from their mother at birth, whether that happens physically or not, there's some sort of like separation, that happens energetically where like, I always describe it as two cords, right? Like one cord, the umbilical cord, another cord is the psychic cord, but that psychic cord is holding all this pain. And whether the mother's there or not like this, like cord is just like echoing the matriarchal line of pain down through. It can be man or woman into our lives, and it brings emotional turmoil to us as humans. And we're like, I don't know how to sort through this. I'm so explosive or frustrated or repressed or however it plays out for you. Does that, does that resonate? Does that make sense? Yeah, totally. I love how you broke it down, like, so, yeah, into all the pieces of that. Because I, one of the things that Really stands out for me around that is, and I just did a black moon, Lilith, Venus, like combo masterclass. And, and it was in some of the, I wanted to go so much deeper because some of the women did have this plutonium, but it's like trying to keep it in, you know, simplicity for people to adjust and break down because that's intense energy too. Right. But. And several of the women reflected back and have had experiences where, you know, they were separate from their mother, even though they had, it could be like, maybe they grew up in a family of, of 10 children, you know? And there was this like. They were the oldest or whatever, you know, and they had to, they never really got to be the child in that dynamic, you know, so there was already like you're in that mother parental space, which, even though it's not, it is a mother wound in a sense because you never got to receive that mothership and I feel that. You know, and then there was others that are like, why do I have so many issues with women? And I think this used to get a lot of negative energy before it was like, Oh, well, if you have issues with women, then that just means you're a woman who just can't even like, you're just, you're competitive naturally. You're you're all these negative things. And maybe some of that. Does float through us because the experience with women in general, but it still comes down to like, how did we receive that feminine essence and presence when we came into this world? You know, I mean, I had to grow up super fast. And of course that's reflected in my chart of a cat moon. Like, yeah. Hey, all right. We're growing up, you know? Okay, we don't, most people don't realize how much of their mother's energy is in our imprint, in our energetic body, in our own body, because we were in their body. They gave birth to us. We literally, male or female, you are more connected through the energy of the mother. Then it's not saying like, there's definitely father wounds, a hundred percent. It's different. It's, it's, you're right. It's deeper. I mean, those father wounds can be extreme. I've got a whole handful of them creating a whole thing on it. Yeah. You lived in that womb space. Like every feeling she had every experience, she experienced everything your grandmother experienced, right? Like it is. In your not only karmic DNA, it's in your cellular DNA, right? You didn't live in your father. Well, he experienced life processing and growing. You knew you hit the nail on the head. Yeah. And so when, you know, there's a lot that, you know, I don't know, I'm just going to throw out a random example because I know for my, and I know she would not care if I disclose this, but like when she was, you know, uh, when my mom was pregnant with her, like my father was cheating on her, you know? And so there was all this energy around that just moving in this deep insecurity. And so, you know, she, as a, as a human has had anxiety and deep insecurities to move through. The abandonment, my grandmother had it, my mother had it, my, you know, many of her sisters had it, you know, and it's, and it's staying in this relationship for 35 years that just didn't serve her because she was so afraid of being alone and when she did finally leave it and was alone. She crumbled until the last six months of her life when she finally started to come back to herself and get like the help, that she needed. I'm 45. You, I think are your mid thirties, 33, 33. So you have so much more awareness than even I had at 33, because I'm going to, I'm going to give Pluto a lot of this credit. Cause as we like our Pluto and Libra people have moved through this, we learned so much about abandonment, people pleasing co dependence that bring that in. And then. You're another generation and you're bringing in even more depth and awareness and like, you can see it happening. And it's so cool to see the massive healing that gets to come as each part of this Pluto energy gets to like bring its magic into the world. And now I feel for, there's so much that has come through within your generation around the mother wound. You know, it's huge. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like Pluto and Scorpio were here and it's, I love witnessing it like in the same way you're saying it, right? Like, I love looking back and being like, okay, this is what everyone was kind of sorting out while it was happening. And now seeing what, you know, our generations are bringing to the world in their own different way based on their Pluto. I'm like, what, what does Pluto and Scorpio souls are doing is like. Bringing emotional healing to the world. Now it's gone a little bat shit crazy with Neptune and Pisces. I will say like everyone's a little bit like in that deep victim hood, and that will shift and change when Neptune shifts into Aries. Everyone's gonna be like, I don't know who the hell I am. Full on identity crisis for 14 years is gonna be fascinating. But like with this, this Pluto and Scorpio generation coming through. It is about this deep emotional healing, right? It's like, let's frickin go there. Let's heal the mother. Let's heal the women. Let's heal, not just, you know, I feel like your generation did a lot of, like, let's bring women to the forefront. And now our generation's kind of like, well, let's, like, actually heal those emotional wounds we were doing with men, too. Thank God. But it's, it's really about that emotional healing and we're seeing it everywhere. It's like, we talk now, right? We don't, we don't. We don't avoid, which, you know, you're, I'm trying to think of my mom's Pluto is in Virgo. So your, I feel like your mom's would have been either in Virgo or depending on how old, how old was she? She was born in 53. 53. So she was probably around Virgo too. My mom was 59. So she was either Virgo or Leo. But like we think about how different. Those energies are, right, like Scorpio meeting Virgo, Virgo, I'm a, I'm a big old Virgo guys, I like to shut my emotions down real hard, like, I'm like, cold as hell, let's turn it off, that's my work, but you think about that energy as a generation, it was like, no, we don't, we don't talk about it, right, Leo energy, though it is a very emotional sign, it's like, we still don't talk about it, right, it's just like, keep it all pretty, keep it all, don't, don't let anyone see that it's a mess behind here, ok, Right? Whereas the emotional Scorpio generation, even the Lieber generation's like, Lieber's like, let's talk about it. Right? Let's talk about it. Hello. And then Scorpio's like, let's like literally go to hell and back. In order to work through this shit. So I love seeing it happen. And like the mother wounding that's coming up. Consciousness. And men too. It's just like, let's let men feel. Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like the mother wound one thing that really came through is because I hit on the point of like, when women are saying, I, I can't create good friendships. And sometimes that is because maybe they are competitive with other women, but it's also the conditioning that culturally has come down and you can see this in astrology. Fascinating to me how you can see this and like certain placements in certain signs and, you know, where black moon Lilith is can be like, you could be a huge source of projection of other women and trigger women, you know, Pluto on the ascending can, like, I remember you said it so clearly when I was in session with you, it can be either magnetizing or completely repelling. And so that is, and like, what do you do with that energy and how do you learn to trust, like. You know, women that feel this way, it's like healing that, that what I refer to it now in like the sisterhood sentence, you know, and that's become a big and will be becoming a huge forefront and with radiant vibes and community and cultivating this sisterhood and really healing it because it's something that I've really had to move through. And it clicked, it was like, Oh my God, it removed so much internal shame that I was holding, around. Why I didn't feel acceptable, why I didn't feel a sense of belonging, and I literally was like, there's something wrong with me. And I walked around with that energy, like a lifetime. There's something wrong with me that my mother, had all this crazy manipulation and favoritism and all this stuff. That deep shame where you feel like there's something intrinsically wrong with me. And when you start to look at this, and this is why I believe in astrology so much. And I referenced it. And when I'm moving through deep energies, I don't constantly go on and like, Oh, where's my chart? You know, something intense going on. I'm like, what's going on? You know, yesterday I was like, what the hell is going on right now? Yeah. And it gives you answers. It's not that, we're not here to identify with it as like the one all and be all, but it gives you answers of like, Oh, this is what I'm going through. It gives you a little bit of empowerment to know these cycles aren't permanent. You know, you can do whatever you want with the cycle. You know, you can move through it in the way that the planets are talking to each other in your chart and let it move through your body and let it move through your world and let the changes happen and allow that with complete surrender, or you can fight it, absolutely. Yeah, you can, you can swim upstream, like that's totally your choice. Yeah. There's no wrong way, really. I mean, obviously we want to like empower people to do this work in a healthy way. And like Vika and I talk about it intensely, but there's so much for me, it's just been such a big source of joy. And I feel like equally, one of the reasons why I really. wanted you on this podcast and why I landed into your world is like, I look at astrology very differently than, sun, moon rising. I mean, you know, the moon does play a huge role and I'm a big advocator of the moon in our charts and, and where your progressed moon is and working with that and stuff, but I also feel that. there's a lot of superficial fluff. There's, there's a lot of people that are like, I'm an astrologer and I'm out here doing this. And it's like, what are you really helping people move through? What is the energy? And can you feel the energy of the chart? And I feel like you captivate that really well. And that's why I landed in your karmic astrology course. For me, having Pluto on the Ascendant and all this Libra energy right there, I can question myself a lot. I come into a lot of self doubt. It's when I feel when I see somebody else doing it, it's like, whoa, I can do this too. It's not a competition. It's not like, it's like, oh, she's speaking my language. I could never pinpoint it out to the world. What did Ray do with astrology yet? People are like, you're an astrologer. You do this. I'm like, no, no, no, no. Yeah. This has like been my life since I was like eight reading astrology books, you know, it's wild. It's like, and here I denied it, I feel like when we find which way and how to work with these energies, there's so much that we can be gifted through, through the lens of energetic. And astrology mixed together and using it as a really awesome tool for doing some inner work and transformational work with ourselves. I agree. And I feel like I feel like a lot of people should be invited into that point of like, it's a tool, right? It's a language that's meant to help us figure out. Themes, archetypes, like why something may be presenting itself to you. You know, those gifts that you said, the, the, the little whispers of the universe. And I say this to people all the time where they're like, Oh, astrology is not my thing. And I'm like, find your thing then. Because like, it doesn't matter what language you end up using human design, numerology, like whatever else is out there. There's a million different languages, tarot, They're languages of the universe communicating to you, through. All different mediums, right? But they're gonna land you in the same place every damn time. Whether you look at your numerology, it's gonna tell you you're a Schrodinger. So every time, you're like, oh, they're the same. and when we can use it, like, as a tool, right? Rather than, like, this over identification of I'm a, I'm a Virgo, so I'm nippy and da da da, like. What I use my Virgo energy is like, okay, I can actually fall in some deep high, like highs and lows of, you know, the purifier. I want to fix everything. That also means I want to fix everything, including myself and including everyone around me. Right? So when I look at my chart and I understand my highs and my lows, uh, my karma, my, fears my holy shit. It's like, that is how I can look into life. That's how I've healed myself, right. Of so many things that were keeping me in such a dark place for so long. It's like looking at this and being like, like, that's, that's me. And it's okay. Yeah. Yeah. It gives you some sense of understanding and like you feel seen and then taking the, the magic of, well last week you and your chorus, you were talking about more of the embodiment of it and even just, you know, the crystals and for me, flower essence is a big go-to, I love, oh my god, yes. Crystals and essential oils. And I love crystals too, but it's like, you can use this to bring out some, some groundness or. How you work out, how you move energy through your body, your, stability, like there's so much more. So it's not always just diving into the shadow. How can you help, you know, one of the things. Coming out for me is like standing more in my Aquarius energy. And I showed my chart is very Aquarian. So like, how can I bring in more of that? Because I sort of have this like, eh, not sure. Like I, it's, it's, it's never really landed and, or it can go the other way sometimes, well, they're calling it that. So I can't, I got to find it. Totally unique, different name than any of that. It's like, it can't be the same as anybody, so it can go both. Can't be the same. I, I found that literally the other day. I like posted some of the, decor I was buying, you know, just like Amazon finds. And someone was like, Oh my God, my bedroom looks almost just like that. And I was like, Oh, return it. I can't do it. It's not to immediately return, but I didn't actually like, you know, I know I'm going to bring in my own Aquarian flavor, but it's so funny. Like when you actually learn about these signatures, you meet yourself and be like, Oh, that's that low octave coming through again, being like, I can't be like anyone else. and you know, there's highs and lows in that, uh, and the gift of that. But I love what you mentioned about working out, like, and one thing I'll give to everyone listening is. You know, your example of not being, you know, being a little resistant to call yourself an astrologer, even though you've been doing this for how long, it's like finding your place in astrology is, there's so many realms, right? There's medical astrology, there's karmic astrology, evolutionary astrology. There's the, the, the amount of types of astrology are endless. So you almost, and you can dabble in them all. There's shamanic astrology. find one that excites you. And if you feel like you're like, Oh yeah, like this is my freaking jam. Like, I mean, and you can call yourself an astrologer or you could not, but you know, you don't have to put yourself in any boxes. You don't have to do any of these things. And one layer of astrology might not land. You know, there are certain types of astrology where I'm like, you know, and that's okay. And then there are certain types of astrology where you're gonna be everything makes sense. And, and that's Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad you hit on that because for me, that's what I, I, the karmic astrology, I love it. And then for me, it's using it for energetic empowerment. Like how are we going to shift because everything for me is shifting energy, moving energy. And like, that's what I do energy clearing and doing it through words through voice, through truth or expression, you know, and ultimately stepping into our own truest expression, which, is. Just something that I feel, I feel is really happening for many women right now and, and really sharing that and being able to step more into like, and how can I use this for me? And how can I use this as a way to like, not just express yourself in the way that we think us as entrepreneurs, we have to do social media. I'm talking about like the authentic expression of who you are from the moment you wake up from bed in the morning to who you are in your relationship with your significant other or yourself, or, you know, what are you denying of yourselves? And what are you like? You know, where can you be more of yourself in every area of your life? Because that truly is like, that is healing the karma that is clearing the karma and it is like bringing such like powerful magic to your soul. It's like, that's what your soul wants to do is constantly come in and create who, who, what more, it's not like we're in the transformation word. I love it. but I feel sometimes it can even get, you know, Misinterpreted as well, because it's not, we're really here to continue to recreate versions of ourselves and to what is like the most potent expression that we could live, whether you are doing spiritual work or a spiritual entrepreneur, or whether you were just. You know, waking up every morning from bed and what am I doing with my day? And how am I showing up in every area of my life and like truly living that expression and you get to create it. And I think this is like with astrology is just, it's so deep. And like you said, there's so many different lenses of it that you can, you can literally create of what resonates with you and it's. I think one of the things that you hit on last week in the course two was around ethics. And I talk a lot about this with people. Like if you have ever been in session with anybody and they're like projecting their experience, it's one thing to share. Like for me, you know, I'm, I've got a Mercury and Aquarius. I'm going to share stories. I have a three, six generator and human design. I'm going to share those stories and that wisdom. It's not about me or projecting. It's just like, here's a way, because sometimes that can help transmute it, you know, and here's how this can play out. And how does that relate to you? Does it at all? Or do we need to find something else to like, help you understand this context because shadow work and this depth is not always easily digestible and palatable for people. Like it can be hard, but if somebody really projecting their experience onto you, or if they're really black or white about it, you know, or being, you know, this is why even in my intuitive sessions, I took away psychic stuff because I'm like, I'm not, I'm not your psychic. I'm very intuitive, but I do not actually like telling people the future. At all. That's not, we're not here to learn that we're here to live here in the moment in the present. And of course I love visionary the future, all my queries, energy, and like channeling and the frequency shifting. It's so cool, but it's not about knowing all of that. It's about learning like more of who you are here. And you really brought that up with the ethics because I think some people have been in situations like that where they have not had the best experience. And I just feel like it's, it's evolved. And there's so many wonderful people like yourself out there doing this work. And. The way that you deliver the healing to people is really, really, it's just awesome. So I'm so glad that you could come on here today. And, I just want to ask you one question. Well, there's two, but I'm going to start with what would you say to somebody who, maybe they don't know a lot about astrology, maybe they do, it doesn't matter, but like, they're really in the thick of this like, who am I, you know, because this happens at any age, many times, we go through many dark nights of the souls, many spiritual nights, so like, what would you say to somebody who could to really help them kind of reconnect with a sense of self. I know this is so, like, loaded, but I feel like it goes with the Plutonian stuff a little bit. Mm hmm. Yeah, okay, that's a good question. Oh, what'd I say? I'm, like, thinking of myself and all my, all my own dark nights of the soul in, in moments. If astrology, like, fits your, your I feel like everyone listening to me like, yes, we're going there, but you know, you know, astrology excites you use astrology. If it doesn't grab another tool, like we mentioned earlier, right? Like a numerology, human design, whatever, whatever floats your boat and gets you excited, but find a tool that can help you explore yourself. And even if it's outside of the realm of using a tool, maybe it's meditation, right? Maybe it's journaling. Maybe it's something where you're just going inward with yourself. That's perfect to yourself knows as much as your chart does. It's just like, How you access it, but find, you know, a tool that excites you. That's going to be key. It's like, does it excite you? And do you want to do it? To start diving into your shadows is like where I'm going to start with. This is like the shadow of who you are, who you have been. We talked about grieving the self, who you're letting go of, you know, the version of you that you are not anymore. I meet this in my work constantly, right? Especially with mothers. Mothers is a big one. It's like that version of yourself that is gone and you are grieving her a very Persephone moment of like she's gone You've become the mother or you know, the version of your younger self is gone You've gone through your Saturn return and she is gone that party girl She's gone that you know that version of you is gone. It's like starting to You know, meet this sent this self. Who are you now? Right? Find a tool to reflect into discovering yourself now. And, you know, looking into the shadow of who you have been, the fears you've been processing, the fears you're in right now, even the fears of what's holding you back from seeing yourself. Right. And seeing your truth, seeing your own bullshit. Right. It like, look, I look at my own bullshit all the time. And like the other day I was like, okay, we're working with righteousness today. Right. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. Like how righteous can I be? and I had to sit with that. Right. And so uncomfortable to look at myself and be like, you are righteousness. Like, can I say fuck on here? I said it. Righteous is fuck, right? Like, I'm meeting myself being like, Man, you think you're so right. You think you know everything. Calling myself out on that and sitting in there and being like, like, that's deep. So, I think like it's that, like, find that tool to go into those shadows and start meeting yourself in your grit, in your shit and being like Yep. I've shown up that way. Or, you know, it might be other stuff where you're like, they've shown up like that way for me. This has wounded me. This has, you know, met me here. Find a tool that allows you to meet your space and go to the depths you feel safe to go to. You might want a friend, you might want to, you know, you might want a mentor. You might want someone to do this with, and start to know yourself. You can, you can do that tool. That would be my number one is like, Get to know yourself with a tool. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. All right. You had so many good, hits on that. And I want to just add one thing, especially cause you hit it like find, find a mentor I say this with full, like, 100 percent integrity, my best, transformations, the most magical moments for me have been when I've been able to sit with somebody who could reflect back to me, because I feel that a lot of people are really hard on themselves. So then when they start doing this and diving into the shadow work and like, Like, Oh my God, that's me. You're like, Oh yeah. Righteous. I got to sit with this. Some people might not be able to that. And that's okay. Like, it's just where you're at. You've been doing this work for a long time. So you know how to look at this through the lens of I'm not completely screwed up. You know, I'm not a bad person for this. This is a human moment. I'm living a human experience. And like, yes, I'm going to have these moments of like, God, you're. Right. You're controlling, you're right. Just like, you're like, mine's like, when I get bossy, like, I just like, like there's so many but just being able to look at it and just go, okay. Yes. But if, if that's not a place that you're at and you can't look at it through deep compassion, or you're being really hard on yourself of like, why is this happening? Or what can I even do with this? It like confuses you. That is the power of finding somebody who's really, really good at holding space for those depths, but can also reflect back to you like with you hear us laughing about this and laugh about it, have fun with it a little bit. It's not meant to like, you know, just to feel everything you might not be in a moment where you can laugh, but be find somebody who can. Sort of expand you into that state so that even if you're in those dark nights of the soul that you can, you can find somebody that can be like, you know what, that I'm not demeaning your experience. We're not taking this experience away from me where I will let you hold full victimhood right now for whatever you want or however you need to be. But let's find at least one thing to be appreciative of, because that will shift your energy and learn how to do that in that duality, because it can be really hard. I feel like to try to do all this. Through yourself as you go through the process, it gets easier and easier and easier. So you can read things that just stand out and you're like, Ooh, that that's, I'm going to sit with that. I'm going to sit in contemplation. And there's like the more that you do it, but if you're just starting out or you're just in one of those like dark nights of the soul, like I was in all last year, you know, I, I did need mentorship. I did need, but sometimes I was looking for so many answers. I landed in the space of people that didn't, they didn't have. Necessarily what I needed in that, you know, and I, I tracked a difference. So it's always good. Use your own discernment with that, but it definitely is helpful around surrounding yourself with people who can expand you in these energies, because that's, that's truly been life changing for me and helping. Yeah. Same. It's like those have been the most, um, the most expansion that ever happens is when I'm working with someone who's, you know, in integrity and able to hold that space for me, I can meet myself extremely deeply, but you know, it helps to have somebody else's even lens presented to me. Right. Where I'm like, Oh, like this is my righteousness. And then they can show me. You know, another, another Avenue, another way to walk that I'm like, I never ever saw that. so I agree completely. Yeah, totally. Okay. And then last thing. So I've talked about your karmic astrology of course, and I did talk with Vika prior to here. She's not going to be offering the level one until the fall. Right. You said? Yeah. So yeah, in October that one will open. Okay. But, I highly suggest you guys get on the wait list if this at all interests you and it is, it has been so like the way that Vika teaches is amazing. I mean, she's got a lot of Virgo energy. So those of you with a lot of Virgo energy, you're going to relate to this. Those of you that have no idea what that means. Just know like when it's she can really break things down and explain it is so palatable. Like it's like everybody in there, you can see it like moving and the energy and I've been learning this for a long time and what I've been able to like discover through the course has just been amazing and phenomenal. And to be able to see all these other humans learning this and there, and, and actually holding the information, it's, it's really joyful for me to witness. It's like, Oh, look, they're like turning on to all this astrology. I love it. And so, and you don't even need to be in, do this for your own learning. You don't even need to do this for, to be a professional astrologer. You know, I did it to add into my practice and like, you know, You don't do this for your own, like learning for your own awareness, because it really is amazing. And then what else do you do one to ones, but you only open them up so often, right? Yeah, I do. I want to just thank you for that. It's like receiving that deeply into my heart because I feel very seen and, and just so great. Full for that, that little, little love bubble I was just received. So thank you. but yeah, I do open my one-to-One readings. I'll open them every couple months. Manifesto vibes. I am a sleepy girl, so I can only take on like so much energy at once. when this airs, I'll have just open them. So Spring equinox was is when I'll open one-to-ones again. So watch for those. I do, I am, you know, in the works of reworking my mentorship right now, too, of like my one to one, what that's going to look like, you know, introducing past life regressions into it and all that. So that will be opening in the next couple months as well, very limited spots. But, you know, if you want to go To the freaking depths with me where we're, you know, looking at the chart and then going into the psyche and all that good stuff. Those will be opening up and then yeah, the level two will open up in the spring as well. We're just going to go more intense, ancestral wounding, father wounding, mother wounding, all the frigging Hades moon stuff, that's coming too. Yeah. Well, I know I'll be there because it's so good. It's going to be so much fun. I know you like, I'm like, you're going to feel fourth house moon. Of course you're coming. Yeah. Literally, of course you're coming. Yes. Yes. Oh my God. Thank you so, so much. Thank you for All of this, this is such great conversation and this just lights my heart up being in the conversations like this and being able to share and open up, you know, tidbits and other people and awaken this energy and it's like, Oh, and I wonder how many aha moments there might be here. And if any of you guys want to get in touch with Vika, I will have all of her stuff in the podcast show notes. but she's on Instagram. It's. It's Vika Bradford Astrology. Okay. And then her website for is Vika Bradford. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But I'll have it all in the show notes. So thank you. Thank you. I'm so appreciative. Hey, untamed listeners, I am so appreciative that you took time out of your day to spend with me. I hope you enjoyed this podcast as much as I did, and I would love your support for this podcast. 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