Deconditioning our relationship to wealth & money with Natalie Carranceja

Natalie is an emotions coach and breathwork facilitator, focussing primarily on guiding women into the state of feeling wealthy, leading them to build a life they actually desire to experience. 

Natalies core beliefs are:

1) that our emotions, sensations and inner experiences shape our life. We create a life that is an external representation of how we feel internally. 

2) Wealth is an emotion, sensation and internal experience. Harnessing this knowing, and learning to feel wealthy instead of creating wealth outside of us, is the key to living a fulfilling, contented, joyful and, well, wealthy life.  

Natalie uses a beautiful blend of teaching and breakthrough breathwork to bring her clients and students through deep internal shifts that lead to them experiencing the life they truly desire.

In this episode, we dive in on the topics below:
 

>Liberation from releasing wealth= money

>Emotional intelligence with wealth, money, manifestation

>The internal experience of manifestation

>Natalie’s Capricorn Moon in her fullest expression

>Scarcity and wealth as emotions

>Taking time to learn with the experience you want to create vs the money you create

>letting go of money goals, letting go of metrics, letting go of the connection between money and wealth.

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Welcome to the Untamed Soul podcast. I am your host, Raychelle Emery, the founder of Radiant Vibes. I am a spiritual mentor and intuitive energetic alchemist for you, your animals, and your soulful business. This is a cast devoted to soul activation and embodied entrepreneurship. It is an exploration of inspirational humans who are leading the path to a new earth. Along the way, I will share intuitive insight and practical wisdom to inspire infinite potential in every area of your life. I am so excited to have you on this journey so together, we can become untamed. Hello, Radiant Vibes community. I am really excited about today's episode with a guest collaborator, Natalie Karansea. And before I get into who Natalie is and what she brings to the world with her beautiful radiant energy. I want to talk about a few different things going on in my world. And so that you know how you can work with me and connect with me. The first is we have the temple membership community, which is a collaboration with Jenny Khan at the medium experience and myself. And we've created the temple as a vibrant community offering Hot seat coaching, sharing, q and a sessions, soul activation, channeling, energetic transmissions to help Propel you into your soul's expression in every area of your life. This is for Spiritual and energetic empaths and healers like yourself. This is a community to connect, to be seen, to be heard. And Jenny and I bring our Combined psychic and intuitive abilities, as well as deeply empowered astrology for spiritual growth evolution. We also incorporate other tools like human design, inner child healing, generational clearing, soul activation, and ongoing support through the community. We're having a collective of courses and master classes in there too for access that are all there for you. And your first month is only 22 dollars. So if you join today, your first month is 22 dollars. You get to explore all of the Previous recordings, all the previous calls, anything that's on there, master classes, courses, you get to Explore it for 1 month for 22 dollars And if you love it, you can hop in and then it's 2 22 dollars per month or 2222 dollars for the year, which brings it down to 185 per month. So that's what's in there. You get 3 calls per month, 1 with Jenny and I, 1 for sure with me, 1 for sure with Jenny, and then possibly more like this month. I'm already doing another soul activation. We did a Q and A, which was basically hot seat intuitive coaching around all of the people that were on that call with their astrological charts around the mother wound and the fourth house and the tenth house and astrology and the expression of it. It was so potent and it was so powerful. So Hop in. I'll put the link in the show notes. Other ways you can connect with me are my 1 to 1 soul activation sessions are back. This is for somebody who wants personalized attention that they want to basically feel into energetics of themselves and their soul blueprint through the lens of intuitive karmic astrology, me and mentorship insights into energetic transits, energetic healing, channeled guidance connection with your spirit team, and they're personalized to whatever you're experiencing at this time. So those are back. And This is a blend of all of the things that I do brought forth to support you on your journey. They are 1 session. They are usually 60 to 75 minutes, and I'll put the Lincoln, so you can schedule. I do take a limited number of those. I usually only take about 5 a month, so that's really exciting for me to have that back out into the ethers. And next is I have 2 new upcoming group programs that I am just stoked about. This is something that I've been wanting to bring out to the world for a long time. Okay. The first is reclaim her, empower her. This is going to be a unique, small, intimate group program. Think of it more like an online retreat for you to reclaim and empower yourself through your business and relationships. So this is my exact process for healing and transformation and soul activation. And what I found is this to me is the simplest, most aligned way that shifts energy quick. So this is my desire for you is to get out of doing the constant inner work and to simply be your soul's activation, be your soul's truth here on Earth. And so, so many of us are here and we're in this process to reclaim what's been lost, our voice, Our relationship to creation, to co creation, the relationship with God, God is divine and source within and the expression of it through a soul aligned business. So whether it's the way that you show up in the world, if you're afraid to speak, express, share, put your offers out there, maybe you're just like, why can't I get this business going? Why can't I feel empowered in my relationships or and really elevating your energetic standards that are true to you. This is what we're going to do. We're going to reclaim that divine feminine within so that you can be your Soul's Most Potent Expression. We'll do this through the lens of karmic and intuitive astrology because that is your unique energetic blueprint. It's the cosmic universal energy downloaded through you. We will take a look at unconscious patternings, discovering limiting beliefs and stories. We Write them using your unique astrological blueprint and energetic practices to empower you to stand in your purpose. And this is my desire for you that you will walk out of this Container feeling invigorated, aligned with life and feeling like you could trust the goddess within and co create with your business and the universe in a way that you never really even thought Could work, could be possible. This is like we're going to put strategy to the side in this container, although there might be some because we're going to get into the energetics of you, of the way that you are here to operate in the world. So spaces are limited. Like I said, that is going to be a small intimate group. The price for that is 888 dollars a month or 3555 paying full. It's going to be a 4 month, creation here that we will be together in an intimate group setting. The next is Empress. Empress is a 5 month group sanctuary for visionary female leaders and business, guiding them to aligned energy and frequency while nourishing and supporting them. It's getting out of the strategy and hustle and moving into energetics, frequency, feminine energetics, Intuition Connecting with the Soul of Your Business, Releasing Identity Tied to Business Money, Wealth Value, Reclaiming who you are outside of your business and what you do. This is where you get Prioritize you. You show up, you receive, you align with your unique energy. You collaborate with the goddess within you, transform, you shift, and you Align with Your Most Abundant Timelines. So this is literally a container for entrepreneurs to be supported as the Empress she is. This is for people who know that they are the powerhouse in their field, that they're there, but there's maybe deep beliefs, deep conditioning that they're still moving through and that keep them stuck and patterns with their business that aren't really soul fulfilling with their heart, with their body, with the way that they want to lead through this lifetime. And so I am really excited about this 1. This is like my life's work here. I feel like coming to fruition. This is a 5 month group sanctuary, and The price is 5555 dollars pay in full or 1211 dollars a month. If Either of these interest you, please DM me, get on the list. I'm so excited to support you guys in this way with all of these new fun offerings. And last but not least, I don't want to forget my upcoming connection call for animals. This is a new call that I'm doing for those of you that recently Participated in my free offering called The Experience. It's gonna be a similar container to that, but devoted entirely to the world of animal communication. Spaces are limited. The price is a hundred and 11 dollars for you to come on live, ask, and receive. This is for you, for Your animals for animal communication, for healing with animals. It's all the energetics behind whatever it is that you are Moving through with your animals through end of life, animal and spirit performance, uh, energies, questions about your own animals. An opportunity to to receive intuitive insight around all of that. So I'm excited that these are all coming out into the ethers. And if you have questions, please get in touch. And without further ado, let me introduce you to Natalie Karen Sayegh. Natalie is an emotions coach and breathwork facilitator focusing primarily on guiding women into the state of feeling wealthy, Leading Them to Build a Life They Actually Desire to Experience. Natalie's core belief is that our emotions, sensations, and inner experiences shape our lives. We create a life that is an external representation of how we feel internally. Wealth is an emotion, sensation and internal experiencing. And she harnesses this knowing and learning to feel wealthy instead of creating wealth outside of us, which she believes is the key to living a Feeling Contentful, Joyful and Wealthy Aligned Life. Natalie uses a beautiful blend of teaching and breakthrough breath work to bring her clients and students through deep internal shifts that lead them to experiencing the life they truly desire. So I can't wait for you to listen to this. I feel like no matter where you are in your spiritual evolution, whether you are a soul here to express Through purpose, through who you are, whether you are a person who is expressing their soul activation, through business, through relationships, it doesn't matter. You are going to get so much Juicy, delicious takeaways from this episode, and I can't wait to hear your feedback. I've personally worked with Natalie in the past, and she is just phenomenal. Put those earbuds in and take a listen, and let me know what your favorite takeaways are. So much love to all of you. Bye bye. Hello, everybody. I've already done the bio, said all that I have to say about Natalie, but I just wanna bring her on here officially. Natalie Karantseya, who I've known for I think I was texting you You were Instagramming you about 5 and a half, 6 years. So I idea. It was something Yeah. Yeah., I crossed Natalie's path, and I remember it specifically. I was visiting my friend Martha in Minneapolis, and I can't even remember what I was doing at that time with her. And, I found your podcast, and I just binged it. I was on a walk, and I was walking through our neighborhood. and I remember the specific podcast was talking about setting certain affirmations all through your day. I mean, this is a while ago. I definitely Yeah. It's it was a long time ago. And, um, I don't even think you know this, I was like, I'm gonna set those affirmations and do this, like, all day and and start really seeing what I can shift in my energy. And I was like, I just really love this girl. I've gotta find out what she's about and reached out to you, a couple weeks later when I got back home and ended up working in I think it was 1 to 1 mentorship when I was moving through,, moving through some, you know, energies with my ex as we were stepping in moving through life. And that was my first experience with you. So I think after shortly thereafter, I did a group, a mini group container with you. And even since then, fast forward a couple years after sitting relationship and moving across country and landed with you again. And it was, for me, a lot of, uh, exploration of feminine energies at the time and really opening that up. And you were the first person to really expose me to the rigidity and just like that holding on and that, sort of smothering in your relationships and and that wounded feminine shows up. And Then recently, um, end of last year, I guess it was, like, it was around rhythm when rhythm passed away. So it would have been the summer. I helped into your, uh, wealth program. Yeah. Witnessing your evolution's just been awesome and hopping into your programs as You evolve, and you're just 1 who's always there for the evolution, and and it's just so cool. And and so I had to have you on, and I'm so glad that you're here. And If you wanna just tell us a little bit about yourself from your personal story outside of your bio and where you're what kinda got you to where you're at and a little bit about your journey. That would be awesome. Of course. Thank you for having me first. And then I also wanna point out your own evolution. Like, it's just so interesting, like you say, watching people that you have been in worlds with and walked with side by I had to witness them evolve too. So just just wanna take a moment to say I've witnessed yours, and I didn't actually know the full Scope of the story of how you came into my life. So it's quite nice to hear that and be like, no. I knew exactly which which episode you were talking about, actually, um, on the podcast. So that was cool. Um, so hi. I'm Natalie. Um, I it's funny. Me and Ray were just talking about this. Like, what do I identify as As a, like, a leader or a coach. And I don't really have a specific title, but where I specialize is helping women navigate their emotions And understanding their emotions and what they tell them about themselves and the life that they wanna live. Um, I help facilitate the understanding of emotions through breath work. Um, I'm obsessed with breath work. I love breath work. I think it is the best tool out there for self regulation, self mastery. Um, and where we focus the most at the moment, um, with women is understanding that wealth is an emotion. Um, this has come out of my own journey, um, over the last maybe 3 years of identifying what my meanings of wealth were, How tied into societal expectations and limitations it was, um, you know, how wealth is so tied To money when actually wealth is an emotion, money is a resource. They're 2 different things. And I just had so many breakthroughs around this. And because I have such an An intuitive connection to understanding emotions and unpacking them and decoding them. I was like, okay. If if I'm gonna go down this journey of Learning what wealth is to me, I wanna look at it through the lens of emotions, through the lens of the internal experience. Um, and honestly, it's changed my life and the clients and students I'm currently working with a feeling that liberation and that Freedom from disassociating wealth and money and really understanding what their unique definition of wealth is, Allowing their body to meet that clarity, understand the body's language around wealth, and then from that place, taking action. You know, I think We all know this. I'm just like the manifestation process. Like, if we just look at that, they always say You've gotta feel it first before you see it manifest in your reality, and it's just that was 1 of the things actually that never landed for me. I'm like, What? Like, what does that even mean? Feel it first. Like, how am I supposed to feel something that I've never experienced before? Like, How do I feel a million dollars? Like, how do I feel the romantic relationship I'm calling it if I've never had it before? So I've noticed a huge gap in mentorship, in leadership, in understanding and mastery that so many Teachings focus on the action parts of manifestation, but not the internal experience we have to be experiencing first. And that boils down to how we're navigating our emotions, how we're responding to them, how we are unpacking them and decoding the messages behind them, And really getting the the clarity of, hey, well, what does wealth mean to me? Because if I'm trying to build a life Of wealth that is defined by society, and I'm struggling to create that. I'm feeling resistance. There is discomfort in my body, and it's A real challenge, like, what if the thing I'm trying to create wasn't meant for me? And that that's the women I work with who have finally landed at that fork In the road and going, WTF. Like, why can't I create this? Why can some women do it and I can't? And To me, when they come to me, I I always ask, like, is that the life you actually want, though? Like, is that the life you want? And the more and more people I talk to, There is so much relief in coming into realization that that isn't what I want. What I actually want is Simplicity, spaciousness, time, love, connection, and so many people I work with realize, like, It's got nothing to do with money. What the great thing is is once you get into that state and you understand your state of wealth and how to cultivate it, Money is just 1 of the byproducts, the many expressions of your wealth. So that's what I do. Oh my gosh. I really In a nutshell. So many notes here. Like, I guess, which rabbit hole do we wanna dive into here through any of this because well, first, Uh, we were talking beforehand. You are Libra, cat, moon, Sag, sun. So pulling this into astrology and the healing of astrology even though astrology is not you're not, like, totally you're, like, amused by it, but it's not you're not it's not your forefront in the way that that we were talking about. So interesting, though. Hey. Yeah. It is. It's so fascinating. And 1 of the things I just wanna share is that Natalie is a Capricorn moon like myself, and her moon is in the fourth house just like myself, and she's a Libra rising like myself. And not that I'm projecting my experience on Denali, but this is totally, like, when you heal through your Capricorn moon energy, how you identify with wealth is 1 of the biggest things and money because Capricorn energy on, like, a unconscious, like, sort of, um, we'll call it sort of, like, the, I hate the word lower, but, like, the lower expression we're we're using that moment. But Yeah. On a lower active would be tying value, tying your the money in your bank account. Even for a Libra rising, tying Your value to the status of your relationship, like, how your relationship is going, like, how everything in your partnership She was going a lot of Libra rising stuff to heal through energy around. Like, if your relationship is kind of, like, in the trenches being k. And stepping back and coming over and then saying, okay. Now I have to work. And that can actually stay messy for a while. And that Capricorn energy of, like, perfection and and the identification of of your value, your core intrinsic like value based on money. It's a Capricorn healing theme and 1 that myself, I've I've had to move through, which is 1 of the reasons why I was so attracted to your varsity program last summer because it's so in line. I I remember writing it like, this is so in line with where I'm going. I can't wait to hear because you just bring these amazing, like, transmissions out to the world when you're in that zone just Mhmm. Experience just now. And and you spoke so much about that, Like, scarcity even as the emotion. And Yes. It's and I don't feel that people realize or separate wealth from money or even say money is energy or, you know and I love this concept around wealth being in motion, scarcity being an emotion because they really they truly are emotions that we feel. And and I it's and I'm glad you brought up around traditional meditation or, uh, traditional manifestation because Yeah. I don't know about you, but so much of, like, even I know you've been in money programs like myself and done all of this other You know, there's there's so outwardly act and and I'm not discounting the the what people share or whatever. It's but I feel like it's really only getting to the surface. And and then there's, like, There's all this other underlying energy that's tied into that that Yeah. Where your emotions are and how your emotions are in relationship or work or business or daily life is is really, like, what is the frequency you wanna be in? And and wealth, I feel, is sort of that, like, abundance of, like feel it not you're you're never gonna feel good a hundred percent at the time, but it's like the experience of life. Like, how are you experiencing seeing the things that you do, and it makes so much sense that people would land to you going like, I've been trying. I've been identifying with these other people that are, you know, luxury, branding and, like, presenting the the, you know, this, like, magical, you know, like, life events. But what I really want is to feel nourished when I wake up in the morning to enjoy my coffee as I'm sipping it sip by sip to embrace my relationship with my children and and to feel more intimacy with life. And Yeah. It's like that wealth energy, that emotion. And this is so cool. And and I love how much this reflects, like, your, like, Your astrological, it's funny because when you're when you're explaining it then, like, oh, that makes sense why I had to do all that healing in my relationship. And then I talked about it, which is where you and I connected. It just it does make sense. So I'm gonna look into it now because I'm like, okay. This sounds pretty on on the money for me. Excuse the pun for the conversation. the 1 thing that I do wanna talk about is I think a lot of people Have this fear of disassociating wealth and money and getting and being grateful for the life that they have and to Bring their focus to how they wanna feel because we've been so conditioned to look at our external world as the benchmark for Success for wealth and all of that. And I wanna say and make it very clear for everybody that when you get into the state of wealth and wealth In the way that it means to you, the way it feels to you. So there's gonna be this concoction of other emotions and ingredients that come together to cultivate that feeling for you. The things you desire to build a life that you actually want will come, and that includes money. But if we only focus on the sternal because that feels easier, then nothing's going to land. You're not gonna you're not gonna attract the things that are in alignment for you because your heart's gonna be closed off to it. Your energy's be closed off to it, and that's when resistance shows up. So essentially, your body is saying, uh-uh, like, there's something we need to look at here. This isn't working for us. And 1 of the things I really struggled with in wealth embodiment was taking my eyes off money. Like, letting go of money goals, letting go of metrics, letting go of the, That the connection between money and wealth. And that is the hardest part for most people because Because of the connection of wealth to money and because success is about how much money you make in this in society, and so that I can bring up a lot of fear for everybody to do this piece of work. But once you know your feeling of wealth And you have that clarity of what a wealthy life is for you. The natural process, which is what manifestation talks about, is the resources you need To build a life that physically represents that feeling for you will come with absolute ease. Whether that is people you need in your life, whether that is opportunities, Conversations, connections, money. These are all the different resources and it's like I like I guarantee it, but you have to Disconnect wealth from money so you can feel wealthy. It's it's a it's a process. And I and I the other thing I wanna say is, like, This is not overnight. I know it's marketed to us, the money programs and all the mindset work. It's not overnight because think of how like, Especially for us who have lived many decades, it's like think of all the patterns that we have encoded in us. Imagine, you know, like a necklace when it's, like, so knotted and you're like, oh my god. Like, I have to sit down and practice patience and then knotting the necklace. That's what you're doing. But once you've been knotted it, you've got your feeling of wealth, and then you know what to do with it. So I just wanna put that out there that if you're afraid of Taking your eyes off money and really focusing on feeling a certain way and, like, being grateful for the life that you have and you're afraid, okay. Well, I'm grateful for the life I have, then how is anything more gonna find me? It will. It will. That's exactly how every single manifestation book And money book talks. It's just no one's talking about this piece because it is the it's the big hurdle. Yeah. It is and 1 of the things I've found for me that's become increasingly apparent this whole last year, I've been kind of in this, like, you know, another spiritual awakening. I'm like, my my life Oh, the many. Yeah. Of this lifetime. Um, but that's what we're here to do as cat moons is do a lot of those journeys, but that's We'll do it for everybody else so that no 1 else can do it. Yeah. It's like, We'll do it so that way we can share that knowledge Exactly. Grounded, like, grounded way, grounded space. But what I found is it actually feels easier. The more that I recognize when I'm in that space of of overly focused on money, overly focused on external, metrics. You know, when I find myself in that story and I'm consciously recognize it because this is 1 of the things I've really why I so wanted you on here because it's it's it entangling myself from that. Yeah. Recognizing it through the day. And then the more that I've done it, the freer I am. Like, the less that I, like, Crave things to numb me out. The less I crave alcohol, the less I crave, like, even just soul like, having to be so alone. You know? Yeah. The more that I've entangled that it's like I crave more connection and more depth and more openness in my life and recognize when my, like, Part is just completely closed off because that's the focus. You know? Yeah. And so I love that you brought that up. What is your because we talked about wealth as an emotion. So what does that mean to you? Open, open heart, lightness, Fizzy, sparkly, grounded. For me, wealth is It's my body flowing with energy. So and and it can take so many different forms, and it can happen in different ways. This is you know, I'm a huge Fan of talking about, like, finding wealth in the mundane. Because if you can find feelings of wealth in the mundane and you let that compound, life will shift and you won't even realize it Shifted until, like, a year down the line and you're reflecting. Mhmm. Um, but wealth to me is like a combination of feeling joy, feeling grounded, feeling Pride, feeling awe. And by knowing this as my concoction of what creates the feeling of wealth for me, Are you you can use it as, like, a compass. Right? So even if you're having a really shit day or sorry. Oh, you can cast. Yeah. Okay. Like, woah. I didn't ask if that's okay first. No. We're gonna be good girls here. Okay. Good. Of course. Of course. I should know that. Yeah. If you're having a day where you're feeling that, like, the epic disappointment, let's say you're an entrepreneur and something hasn't gone your way, Wealth isn't about necessarily finding joy in that moment. It's about being for me, like, feeling proud in the way that I responded to that difficult emotion. So it's about creating a memory that I can reflect on that feels incredible for me and that keeps my heart open. It's it's love. It's it's gratitude. It's, like, presence. You know? Like, seriously, if we can all find and firstly, We don't realize that the only moment we can live in is now. That's the first thing. And if we can find so much presence and gratitude for the the moment we're in now, That's wealth. Mhmm. Because that is you that's you being in full expression of yourself. I think that maybe that's a good definition for my definition of wealth is it's when you're in full expression of who you are. You're in your truth. You are speaking your truth. You are Acting in a way that is in alignment for you. You are taking action in a way that's in alignment for you. You've got boundaries. You know what your needs and your wants are. All of that all of that for me cultivates a feeling of wealth. It's inner power. Mhmm. And from that place, because I have that clarity, I can ask myself, you know, what can I do, you know, when it comes to when I wake up in the morning and my rituals, like, what is gonna ensure that I'm feeling that love, that or that pride, Whatever that creates that feeling of wealth for me? If Gary and I, my husband and I, are in conflict, how can I respond to this from a place of being embodied in wealth? Like, You know, what kind of language can I use? When I'm going when I'm working out, what kind of workout practice is gonna bring me into that That state of feeling wealth. Mhmm. It's all of it's constantly questioning yourself. How do I stay in a state of wealth? And then if you make that your only focus, How do I get into a state of wealth? Wealth defined by me. You literally don't need to worry about the how. Everything else is gonna unfold. It just You're magnetic from that place. Mhmm. Yeah. I think that's kinda how I would describe it for me. I love that. So it sounds like If it sounds like 1 of the things is that you obviously experienced both in so many aspects, and I love that you brought it up I'm like, yeah, when I'm working out, when I'm doing this, you know, because I I always think about it through the day of it's like, how can I I wonder if maybe this lands and let me know if this resonates or not? But when experiencing wealth is like, how can I connect to this experience in the moment fully? And even if it's a challenging experience, how am I sitting here and and responding and then taking the wisdom through this and this experience through this and, like, holding myself, you know, or like you said, maybe sometimes that is speaking your truth, which a lot of women don't. And we talk about this speaking the truth all the time, and This is something I'm really starting to share more about too. It's like, what does that mean? Because we hear this thrown all over the, uh, find your truth, stand in your truth. Well, what the f is the truth? You know? What is my truth? You know? It's like, you know, it just reminds me of an experience I had just recently with a mentor, and I was looking on your Instagram, and you were talking about mentors that aren't in alignment with you now. Or Yeah. You're choosing mentorship. It's like, I just choosing people that expand you, you know, versus, you know, why is it because they have shiny objects? What do they have? Exactly. Yeah. The life that they have. Do you think they have all the answers? Or or do you trust that you have the answers within you? And and I I was in a container that I had to pull out because it was so it was marketed so entirely differently and presented so differently. And then I had to stand in my Ruth when the situation was presented to me, and I normally, like, old me would, like, run away and be like, I am I can't face this confrontation. This is too much. Labor rising. And, like, make too much. And then being able to stand in that and say, no. You're not doing this. Like, you're gonna speaker truth. And this person is not an integrity. And you don't need to be a bitch. You don't need to, like, completely annihilate them, but you get to do this in your in your and and share. This is my experience of this, and this is not what was presented to me. And this is not an integrity. You know? And then walk away. And when we don't do that, we leave energy with those experiences. We we leave parts of our power with that, you know Yeah. In our truth, and so it sounds like if I hear like, all of these would be experiences of wealth and 0 percent. I mean, wealth wealth embodiment is a a whole look at your life, like the whole thing. You know, if we connect wealth just to money, that's So limiting because that means then you're only gonna allow yourself to feel the experience of wealth when and if you have money. You know? And that's so limiting. I mean, that's that's so not true. Like, you can feel wealthy whenever you want, and it's so important to understand how to cultivate that. And what you were saying there and, like, How you responded to that, um, lack of integrity, that now means, like like, right now as you're reflecting on it, You get to have that sense of pride. Like, I stood in my power. I stood in my own truth, my own integrity. I moved through the discomfort. And, I mean, this is an assumption I'm making, but, like, that is you embodied in your version of wealth and who a wealthy woman is for you. You know, that might not be the case for everybody. But for you, you know, you met it was important for you to spend your energy on that kind of alignment. And what what wealth embodiment gets us to do is it looks it asks you to look at what's wealth embodied communication, what's wealth embodied, You know, asking to have your needs met. What is it in relation to your finances? What is it in relationship to your body? Because once you can feel What wealth is in all these different areas of your life, it comes together so beautifully, like a puzzle pieces coming together. And then you're like, oh, now I know how to get into a State of wealth, which is what you need to be in to attract things like money. Yeah. So, like, sounds crazy to say it, but the way you responded to not Being in that container kept you open so you can receive more resources to support you in building the life you want. Yeah. Totally. And as soon as I spoke and and some people might not feel that they needed to speak, but I am a truth that is part of like, I'm a truth speaker. So it's 1 thing that I've just learned about myself, and and it's just part of my journey here is learning to do that and Yeah. And do that with integrity. You know? Yeah. That feels like, Yeah. Sometimes I I I would say, like, sometimes it is holding them accountable, but they may never take accountability for it. You know? But it's just once you insert that in somebody's energy field, it does bring a reflection back to that. It it's all energy. Right? Right? And it's just like Yeah. For me to stay silent doesn't ever feel right because I've done it most of my life, and it did nothing but cause energetic turmoil within me and anxiety and worry and to where I wake up at night and and because as soon as I did that, I emptied out that. I emptied out that energy with that person, with that container. It was like, it is done. I can walk away. I can release. I can accept and just move on, and it was done so quick. Yeah. And then so and then wealth speed. I guess it's, like, kind of flows into wealth, abundance. That word gets so so I love this language so much more so much more precise. And what happened right after that is I I ended up in actually 1 of the containers that I'm collaborating with the temple in a membership with Oh, yes. Their friend, like, all year. And And then she so there was a retreat in that experience. I was like, I didn't wanna go before even this happened. I'm like, I wanna go to that retreat in that container. Oh, this is such a disconnected container. You know? And then, um, it it was, like, within days, and and I happened to open up a little bit about this. Not much. And she was like, What are you doing in June? Because I'm hosting a retreat, and I want you to come, facilitate, like, a day within this. And I was like and it was like, all expenses paid. Like, you know, like, oh my god. This is so cool. You know? Yeah. It was, like, instant. And So Isn't it wild how it happens, though? It's like the universe, source, god, whoever you identify with is watching you Stay in your power, watching you stay embodied in the version, the wealthy version you wanna be in, whatever it looks like, feels like, for your universe goes, you know what? Here you go. Here you go. Here's another little piece for you to start to continue building the life you want. So, like, you're just walking proof of what, like, Staying in this alignment with what wealth is for you, what actually happens even if it's uncomfortable. And I think the 1 thing I wanted to point out as well And circle back to you we would talk you were talking about, like, speaking your truth. Truth I I don't know how to use the right language for this, but your truth can't be conceptualized. You can't think your truth. You feel it. So, you know, when, like, you approach that woman, you would have felt in your body, your body was telling you, like, this doesn't feel good and it's influencing your thought pattern, But your body is the thing that speaks the truth, and then you find the language to translate it. And I think this is where Our collective work is coming to is let's stop trying to you know, when you're saying the the jargon of Speak your truth. Be yourself as being used in all the marketing. It's like, no. Feel your truth. Like, we really need to feel it Because the moment we get to the body and we feel that closing, we feel that discomfort, we we can then question it and ask, what is this telling me about? What's Truth for me, and then we can speak it. And I think that's probably how you moved so head on in in speaking your truth and staying in alignment. Yeah. And and I think a lot of that takes contemplation. Right? You have to sit with yourself and be able to just stop moving and stop the mind and stop the chatter. And, you know, for me, a way that I do it, you do breath work and I've been in breath work with you and your containers, and it's great on a daily basis. Some things that help me are, like, movement in my body. Right? I have Yeah. A good bit. Um, cardio, honestly, it clears my mind. And so just knowing yourself is like, Yeah. It's okay. And that's perfectly traditional meditation doesn't work. Hypnosis works. Subliminals work. Anything that I can, like, get my energy out of my mind and sometimes with meditation, I'm too it's almost too still, which I know Some people, they would they would say no, but that's the point you gotta get at. But Mhmm. I'm all wired like that. I have, like, 4 placements in Aquarius. I'm a lot of Arab. 8 air signs in my chart. I am in my head a lot. So, like Yeah. It's gonna take a lot. If I'm sitting there just listening to something that's not Now some things like binaural beats will help and stuff like that. It'll just kinda on that and and ground it down. But it's like sitting in that, like, what works for me, and being willing to sit in contemplation of and, also, that that situation, I had to walk away from a lot of money, a lot. I did get a partial exit out for, like, the rest of the container, but that was like, man, I've I put my all into this and to have this person reflect this energy back was was really challenging. And, you know, you've known me for several years, so you've known how hard I can be on myself. And, like, me, 3 years ago would have been taking that all on. I would have took all of those projections and said, those are those are mine. Right? Like, oh, there must have something wrong with me. How did How did this happen? Blah blah blah. I'm having and focused all on the money. I gotta leave this money, and it was just like, you know what? This just has to stop. And then just Yeah. You know, it's like standing in that and just disassociating from all of the other stuff. But and and staying in that lane, but that was a huge, huge thing for me to be able to do it. I've had so many experiences this whole year around that, so I thought I swear, like, 20 23 was, like, the year of race truth. But Yeah. You know, just to emphasize that because they think, you know, a lot of the times we can get stuck on, like, what we're losing if we walk away from something, and that's just not like, it sound from what I'm hearing from you and, like, the mindset, this is not the like, that's not you in Power, that's not you in what is infinitely, like, possible if I just clear this out and what will open up as I do that and the experience that I can create for myself. I love this. Hundred percent. Like, clearing out and, you know, taking whether we're speaking, creating boundaries, whatever it is, from a place of what is going to be best for me and doing it from a place of of of love and compassion. It's not coming from a place of, like, low vibration. That's really important because it does clear energy. Because otherwise, if we don't do these things and we don't, um, stay in our truth or we don't stay in alignment with the life that we wanna live And we compromise that. We end up ruminating on these things. We end up keeping that energy in our body and, like, you want your body as open as possible to be able to receive, To be to be provided for. And if you've got clunky energy and emotional garbage in the body, How can you expect yourself to hold the things that you truly want? Or how can you expect yourself to understand the language of your body When it comes to wealth, when it comes to your truth, when it comes to anything, how can you connect with your body if you're just So gunked up with with backed up emotion and stuff. So, yeah, I think it's such a good point. So what is So a couple things you mentioned you because you mentioned the feelings, like, how do, like, the how do you feel How do you feel something that you've never experienced? You know, kind of like that because you said that, um, in your experience of, like, talking about wealth, and and that didn't sit with you and traditional manifestation. Like, how do you feel something you've never felt before? How do you believe and so this is another part. Right? It's like so we've talked about being in the body, and we've talked about experience and experiencing this on your experiencing the energy of wealth through all of your experiences and even failure. Yeah. You wanna add that, like, even failures, like being willing to experience things failing and not even looking at his failing. It's just experience that, oh, I I had to have that to gain a lot of wisdom. And and human design, this has helped me so much. It's like a 3 6 sacral generator. So a threes are and sixes are here to experience a whole lot in that first leg. You know, and threes in particular. And and it it be okay failing, but I hated that language. I really don't like when human design and astrology bring in disempower. Sorry. It's like, oh, I'm just supposed to fail all the time. And once I shift it around, what if I'm just supposed to experience all of this and be the 1 who goes out and tries first and be okay with that and take that wisdom and share it with others. So it's like even shifting that that feeling around Yeah. Feel like helps so much. And then the other level is, like, believing. Like, how do you believe in something that you've never experienced? This is something I really struggle with. Okay. The answer I have, I've I literally this is my newest learning. My face is, like, light enough. So I'm like, this is It's gonna be the most bizarre answer. The way to finally connect to something that you've never and to feel it is you've gotta change your relationship to time. Now this is It's not bizarre. It totally lands. This is like yeah. When I was like when I this landed for me, I'm like, holy fuck. Like, this is how people will feel wealth and live a wealthy life is when they understand The real concept of time. And I there's a chapter. I recommend everybody to read the book, A Happy Pocket Full of Money. It's not your Standard money book, it's it's so in-depth. It really focuses on on that how we wanna feel. It brings mind and body together. Because we all know now, It's 20 24. Mindset work is not gonna cut it. We gotta do the embodiment work. But in there, there's a chapter about time. And I tell you, I have read it, like, 6 points. And recently, it landed for me. And I was, like, like, genuinely sitting in like, I was Stunned that I understood what it was saying and how I'm I don't wanna butcher the explanation. I'm really working on this so that I can lead a master a class because I can feel my understanding. I haven't yet brought the language to it. So this is a good place for me to practice this. Time, everything we want exists. Like, that's what they talk about what's the quantum field is. Um, everything we want exist. If we can think it, we can have it, and we read about this in manifestation all the time. The way that we actually experience time is that things aren't coming To us, it's our consciousness, our our awareness expanding. And as it spans. It then it then gets to experience what else is in the quantum field. So it's like I Like, I can feel myself understanding it, and then I'm like, god. I need to explain this so that people get it. Like, that in order for you to experience something and then feel and believe that it's gonna happen and have the emotional something you then feel and believe that it's gonna happen and have the emotional experience that it's gonna happen and to have that faith and understand that this is absolutely certain gonna happen. You have to understand that it exists and that all you have to do is expand your consciousness so that the consciousness touches That experience, then you get to experience it. When you can shift your relationship to time and understand that it's not linear, that it doesn't exist, that time is actually us, Um, expanding our consciousness. We're standing still. The only moment is now. When we can really understand that, that is when we can get to a place of believing that The relationship we want is real and it's gonna happen. That's when we can get to the place of believing that the business that we want is there and it's gonna happen. It's waiting for us to Touch it with our consciousness. And when we can feel really comfortable with that, we can feel really really comfortable with being in the unknown. We can feel really comfortable with taking risks. We can feel really comfortable with letting go of societal expectations. It kind of opens the floodgates and gives you that permission to be, like, Really align with what the life that you wanna live and fully believe that it's gonna happen. It all boils down to your relationship to ship to time, and I think a lot of people aren't looking at this aspect when it comes to man like, not manifestation, but when it comes to feeling the way that they wanna feel. Yeah. Totally. It's so it's so I was like, this is not bizarre at all because this has been my biggest reflection, I think over the last week, you know, for me has really come through this this energy to time. And so hearing you say this is It's really cool and, like, kind of Yeah. Of, like, where energy is shifting, and and and I agree with you a hundred percent. Like, mindset affirmation. We did those practices. They're only gonna go so far. Like Uh-huh. Yeah. You've got to actually sit in and really work with embodying the energy and and be willing to and, like, you know, like, reading this chapter of this book. And what does this really feel like? What does this land? And sit in the Contemplation. Don't just read the book and go away. Don't just, like, look Yeah. Astrology chart and go away. Don't, like, go to the next thing. It's like, what is this really mean for me and let that, like, shift energy as you as you sort that out. And this energy to time, It's it's so cool. And it's you actually recommended this book to me. I remember this when I Yeah. I think but I've been reading it so many times because I'm like, If things are landing for me now and I'm having these profound breakthroughs, I'm like, I need to be reading this all the time. Yeah. I have I'm like, I'm like, oh, I'm gonna pull this out and read this too. And 1 of the things that really came through for me is very similar to all of this was, like, if time. If we're, like, trying to manifest and we're trying to create and cocreate the universe and we're saying I want this done by this time. We're actually putting ourselves in a very limiting box. It's like Uh-huh. Yes. Like, I want this. I I know it exists in the quantum because it wouldn't if it's in my heart, if it's then it if it's in my desire, it's it's out there. I wouldn't have this This desire, this feeling, sometimes you do have to decondition, like, is this somebody else's desire put into mine or, you know, really get clear on yourself. But, like, You know, if this is you wouldn't have it if it wasn't. Like, we wouldn't be sitting here running businesses like this if it wasn't in our because It's not always easy. It's like like, this is, like, totally something that we, like, really desire to do and want. So it's like, he tapped into it. And as you were speaking about this, It reminded me of, um, when I I had exited a little bit of dating. I was going through some dating and that was when I landed with you again at dot here. And we were talking about, you know, relational energetics and and then, you know, kinda creating the relationships stuff, and that that led me to a whole summer of really sitting with, what do I believe about relationships? What are my feelings about relationships? I really think that this thing exists? And then when I actually declared, like, and took took that, like, that declare like, declaring it for myself, I want this. This is in my heart. So and I know I can find a conscious man and that Who will accept me? Who will and I but as I journeyed but I knew it was there. So so and and then as I went out and dated, it was like, This frequency was what I was attracting. Okay. Let's come back. Where are you at energetically? Right? What are the stories? What are your beliefs? Then I count date, and then it would be, like, next level. And then maybe something that it was just this constant like, I never looked at that as failure. It was just more experiencing and experiencing what different people felt like me, and I had to shift to do a lot of energetic shifting to do that and being to experience the you know, date multiple men at once. What did they feel like? How does this you know? But I was so, like, confident in my belief that that existed. I remember. You know, it was like You were studying it for a while, actually. For a while. Yeah. And at that time, I said to you, no. I'm so confident in money in my business. Money comes to me easily. I'm I'm really confident with my business, and it's So interesting because when I called in Ryan, it was just out of nowhere. You know? And and there were there were lots of great men. Like, I mean, he He knows this. We talk about the story often. It's like, you know so he's he's always like, oh, I I there was all these great men raised. Or or then he's like, oh, I know. I'm chose the 1. Things are sticking it out with me. You know? And, uh, and then to have that experience, but I had to get so clear about what I really wanted and how that was gonna, like, look and feel, and really truly believe and be willing to to explore and experience. And, yeah, sometimes choose the wrong dude. And if it didn't work out, it just didn't work Oh, you moved through the the awareness of that. And then now what I experienced so as I called in that relationship and that got so aligned, and then I went through a lot personal experience, the loss of my father, and just shifting dynamics of that, like, root, that core root that, like, old nation all last year. Lots of moves, changes, lost so much in a year and a half, like, a year and a half, really. I started to lose that that belief in money, that belief in my business. You know? It was really interesting because That energy started to shift that core foundation of what I always felt so connected with. And so you're talking about this energy of time is, like, I was really attached to time. I was really attached to outcome. And in a way that it was almost proving, and when I realized the energy Kinda was, like, proving and showing my dad who was gone that I would never get to show him this that, like, look. I'm just as successful as you. And it's like, what is your idea of success, Ray? Like And did it ever tell you, like, you're kinda doing this on your own. He had help. He had assistance. He had guide. You know? So it was just, like, diving into, like, what what lens am I actually viewing myself And what is the underlying energy here, and how can I, like, free that up? And it was just such a how you can kind of flat like, go back and forth between the too, you know Yeah. Those energies. Definitely. I think you've really, like, really honed in here because I I think a lot of people don't want the answer to how to live the life they want. They don't want it to be basic. They don't want it to be simple. People are looking for this complex, like, Answer and then they can be like, oh, yeah. I'm totally doing it wrong. But the the simplicity is, number 1, the need for clarity is so underrated. Like, We need clarity. Like, it's literally the clarity, but clarity coming from truth, not clarity coming from influence. We need clarity. Like, Like, we need our GPS in our car to help us get somewhere we've never been before. Like, I can't stress that enough. And the thing is, What people hold on. I wanna do you mean clarity and, like, what we want. Right? Yes. Yeah. Clarity in the vision we want for our life or for our relationships So for our businesses, there has to be specificity. And for some people, and I know this with human design, some people need to be specific in how they wanna feel. And some people need to be specific in like the details, the kind of like actual tangible details. But that clarity has to be present because how on earth can your body direct To you and say yes, no, um, here's the feeling, here's resistance, here's where I want you to surrender, here's where I want you to unpack if you don't have that, if you're just kinda like coax It's coasting through. Mhmm. So the number 1 priority for anybody to call in what they desire that's gonna help them live the life They want whether that they define it as a wealthy life, a successful life, whatever, is clarity. And the thing we have to be asking ourselves Constantly, which is it's a shame we have to ask ourselves this, but it's just the world that we live in. We have to ask ourselves, do I really want that? Do I really want this? You think you've got clarity and you've got this beautiful vision board. Let's say because we've been talking about wealth. Let's say you've got this vision board of, like, Chandeliers and money and first class flights, and I was that person. Louis Vuitton handbags because that's what you believe The representation is of a wealthy life. That is the representation of success. Um, and then you're struggling to to get there. You're like and it's And it's not a struggling of you questioning whether you're enough. It's not it's not that. It's something else, and you can tell. You're like, I am doing the things. I am doing this work. I am embodying it. I am really working on my beliefs and my relationship to time. We have to constantly be questioning and double checking The clarity you currently think you have, is that your clarity or is it someone else's? Mhmm. Is that true for you or not? And the answer isn't gonna be in your head. Gonna be in your body. Mhmm. And I think a lot of people don't want to know what their clarity is because it tests our sense of belonging. Because then it's like, oh, okay. Well, if I had changed my definition of wealth, it's not gonna like you said, it's not gonna be the same as my father's who worked really hard to get us where we are. Or I'm gonna get judged by my mother for believing wealth is like this. Mhmm. You know? It's it's it's it's work Yeah. Getting the life that you want. But we have to make sure the life you're creating is the 1 that you're designed and built and born for. Yeah. Yeah. It's like I feel this resonates giving an example, you know, tying it back. I feel like I always thought I was just, like, the traveler, the traveler, the traveler. I'm gonna travel everywhere all the time and, like, love travel. And I I I love it. What I realize is I love to travel, but I love and craved my home roots so much, so much more. And so making it a priority to find a home that was like, I would you know, Ryan and I, we bought a home together. So, you know, there were some ways that we could have settled in other homes, but It was just this no. That's not it. The home will feel like home. It's gonna feel like, oh my gosh. You know? And so Now being in this home, I've been cocooning, like, so and that's never me. Like, ever. I'm usually, oh. And I can see you love it. You're thriving in that energy. Yeah. And it's like that realization of, like, was I just telling my I I mean, I'd love to travel. I do. But is that for me all the time? No. Is it for me, you know, to do some weekend getaways and and maybe do 2 bigger trips a year? That Feels really pristine and clean to me. And then but it's important for me to get into other environments because it expands my energy, whether that's elements in nature or whatever and having that type of pay, but it's also like, just owning that of your kind of like to be at home, Ray. You and I are the same in that because I also thought I was, like, all the nomadic life. I could totally have a family and travel them to, you know, I have this vision of being on Bali and working on my laptop with my kids. I'm like, same as you. I'm like, no. Actually, as I've grown up and my I'm really clear on my values, I start to realize, okay, that my expression of the successful Life is actually being grounded and rooted. And like you say, going away every now and again, it's really beautiful. I was having a conversation with a friend about this back in the summer when I actually, when I was running the launch for Attumen, which you were in. And I asked her, I was like, what would your definition of wealth be? And it really floored me when she went, you know what, Nat? If I could go off grid and have my own garden And live a simple life. That is my version of wealth. And I was like, fuck yeah. Like, go you. Not Subscribing to what society says wealth is. And for me, it's funny Gary and I Gary and I have talks every Saturday night. We'll We'll sit down on Sunday night. We sit down and just catch up. But with the week and, like, our feelings and stuff. And we were talking about, like, I was saying to him How over the last 8 year, I've been really struggling with creating a vision. Like, what life do I wanna live is a real struggle. And I noticed I was being so heavily influenced By society of the life I should be living with my family and the fact that I live in the mountains, and I'm so so influenced, you know, the By societal expectations, basically. And I said to him, like, I had this profound realization recently that the reason I couldn't create a vision was because I was trying to create something that was so different to the life I have already. And my definition of wealth, I'm living it. I just wanna expand this. I want more time and space for the memories to make the same memories I'm making now. And I couldn't tell you how much of a relief it was to realize that that's my clarity. That's my definition of wealth. And then when I started, I did an exercise, um, It's a money exercise actually where you kinda price up the life that you wanna live. You know, and I have been working for these glory numbers, You know, that we see plastered all over the entrepreneur Internet. And I have been working tirelessly to these. And when I I got my definition of wealth and I fully felt it in the body and my body was like, hallelujah, hallelujah. She was so happy. I realized my life, the money I need to create it is not at all what I thought it was gonna be. It's a lot less, and I can't tell you how liberating that was. Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Totally. Because I know I've been in that grind as well and had A grooming salon I worked in and running multiple businesses because there was always this tie, but and then you get into this online space, which Some of this community will understand this, but some of them are in this for spiritual healing Yeah. And animal communication and energetics and stuff. But there's those of You that are listening that are in the entrepreneurial journey, they can relate. It's like, there's so much touting. Oh, you have to have 6 bigger months, 7 figure years, you know, all this stuff, and it puts a lot of pressure. And almost, I feel for a while, it was it was it was creating a sense of shame until we all kinda got Wise to, like, this is not actually it was it was almost as if you aren't doing this and you have an online business, then there's something wrong. If you don't have, you know, 10 DMs every day, then there's something wrong. I I mean, so much I've just cleared I'll like, so much of it out this whole year because it's just so noisy. Yeah. Very noisy. And it's and it It really creates comparison. It creates the sense of, like, well, if they're doing it, there's something wrong with me then. Like, why can't I do it? Because the way that that Talk comes out and versus, like, I love how you're saying is just saying, well, what is the life that you really enjoy, and how How much money do you really need to live that? You know? And and Yeah. With that. And that there is a freedom when you share it like that. Because even as you were saying that, it was like, You know? I mean, I know for me, like, I definitely feel like multiple 6 figure years, but not months. You know? Yeah. That is because What's my why? Like, I love dogs, so, like, I have 5. And, like, you know, 1 is Senior and and she's Of course. But they all have pet insurance. They all have, like you know, they are fed incredible diets, and they get the stuff that they Need and walk some time. And my body, I love to care for my body. That takes time. Mhmm. So my priorities in My day are taking care of Go to wedding to plan. You know? Yeah. No. No. No. No. No. No. And it's, like, to be able to have enough money to support Freedom in my day, I think, is a big 1 for me because if I Yeah. Tied up with, you know, sessions all day long, 1, I wouldn't even be able to give. I've done it before, and I feel like you're in a hurry mode of, you know, push mode. And that's just not the feeling I wanna give off to anybody that's in my energetic space. Not that I was. I always gave a lot, but then I was, like, depleted at the back end. Yeah. And so it's just looking at this as, like, what do you really wanna experience in getting really honest with yourself? And, like, how is your life how are you cocreating that now? Like, how are you creating that experience now. I love that. Because then it's just like it's so freeing because as I'm thinking about it, It's so freeing because I've I've really taken the back step and I've gone, what worked? It worked, Ray, when you weren't focused on money. Not that it didn't work. I mean, I I still, like, you know, make good money when I was in, but it wasn't from a healthy space. Yeah. Exactly. There was a lot of other underlying energetic currents going on that I was moving through and it and the comparison 1 is huge. You know, I feel like for me it was, you know, not in a It was more of, like, why do other people have it and I don't? You know? Is there something wrong with me? Am I doing it wrong? I gotta find this answer. I gotta go here. I gotta start. And it was, like, this endless seeking process, as, you know, of, like and I feel like we've all been there in moments in our lives where we have that, and I that probably won't be the last time I get caught up in that, but I think I'll be Wiser to it to know when I'm in that energy again of like, woah. Hold on, Ray. You're seeking you're you're you're you're trying to find things outside of you, and it's like, just slow down and ground. And, like, what is the experience? How do you feel like people can really Sit down and look at that as and I'm taking this because a lot of people come to me, and they're they're 1 of the things most people say is I wanna experience more joy. And, like, sometimes, I mean, my answer is, you know, I see you experiencing joy. Do you feel like you are? Because, like, it you know what? We're not gonna experience it 24 hours a day. Like, it's just impossible. You're gonna have so many. And this is where even, like, knowing your astrological chart, like, if you're very tied to the moon, the moon and and the cycles of the moon, like, in your Are you Mhmm. Flow with energy all day long depending on what that moon does because it's changing all the time. So, like, there's always gonna be ebbs and flows in like that. But what about, like, when somebody really wants to intentionally create that and they're like, they're they're they're in the gratitude practice. They're doing all of what they feel, but they're still feeling this energetic disconnect from that experience. Like, how do you What do you recommend for people to start with in that exploration of, like, really detaching from that? Yeah. I would first ask that person, whoever it is. So if whoever's listening and resonates with what Ray's saying, like, can you define what joy is? But can you define what joy is as a sensation in the body? Don't try and conceptualize it. Don't try and put a lot of words to it. Can you get clear with what joy feels like in the body? And 1 thing we need to understand about, like you said, all our emotions is there's always a polar opposite. So for example, we could say the polar opposite to joy is sadness, And sadness is the absence of joy. Joy is the absence of sadness. You gotta ask yourself what how do what is my response reaction to when I'm feeling sad. Because if I'm not letting myself be in that and I'm suppressing that, I'm Pushing that down. I'm ignoring it, avoiding it, whatever it might be. You're literally, um, blocking yourself from full expansion into joy when it comes. So that's really important. And I don't think a lot of people pay that attention because while I teach, like, okay. We gotta focus on the things that you wanna feel In your desired life, and we're gonna find ways to help you intentionally trigger yourself into that. That is important. But also, we need to take create the space for the human experience. And we've got to then really ask ourselves, who do I wanna be when I am experiencing the polar polar opposite to joy? Who do I wanna be when I'm experiencing the polar opposite to excitement? Because we really intuitively all know how to feel joy and excitement. We can let ourselves get there. But a lot of the time, the reason we can't get there is because we have suppressed The polar opposite emotion. That is what needs to be processed in order for the space for that feeling to come forward and for the things in your reality that create that High vibe feeling to come to you. So that's how I would answer it. Define what joy even is as a sensation and then really question, what's your response like To the opposite of those emotions because it's 2 sides of the same coin. Yeah. That makes me reflect on, like, sometimes when you There are people saying, oh, why is this always happening to me? It's sort of a victim mentality. Kinda going the opposite end of the spectrum is, like, They aren't even open to that experience. It's just more, like, so, um, almost addicted to that. Exactly. That chaotic. And it's such an energetic block. And it's 1 of the reasons when you mentioned earlier about scarcity being an emotion, it's 1 of the reasons I teach about scarcity because Too many people are are unaware of their feelings of scarcity and how it's hijacking them. And I'm not talking about scarcity in the form of, like, not having money, but just The the sensation, the internal experience of it, I can guarantee that the reason you don't have clarity on what wealth Feels like for you, what it means to you, what a wealthy life looks like for you is because you're avoiding feelings of scarcity. Because if you can go through the feeling of scarcity, It can tell you so much about the life you actually wanna be living. And it's it's every emotion has a purpose. Every emotion has a reason it comes forward. Your body is talking to you quite literally. And I think if we wanna be living wealthy lives or lives that Represent what wealth means to us. We need to have a healthy relationship to every single emotion. Because if you wanna feel 1 thing, you gotta be okay to feel them all. You can't pick and choose which emotions you wanna feel. So the more you allow yourself to be human, The more joy you'll actually be able to experience. Yeah. I love that. And almost, like, the more that you can on the flip side of, like, going into that Victim mentality is like, realized, like, there is duality. You know, you can, like, life is you you you are going to always have these experiences. So it's just like, what is your response to them? And you mentioned that. It's like, how do you wanna respond to this? Like, what is Yeah. It's gonna feel the best to you to respond to these experiences and not without bypassing, without, you know, not recognizing the feeling in that. And this has been such great conversation because it's I feel like it brings almost, like, my whole last year full throttle because I've moved through so many energies in life, but and some of these deeper ones around how I was viewing the world, how I viewed love. Like, I mean, that was and your and your abundance that the course that I took, I I think it was the first 1. And I was going through loss with rhythm at the time. Yeah. My oldest dog. But I 1 of the things that I was also like, Ryan and I were getting ready to merge into homes. And then there was this fear of, like, what if it doesn't work out? And, um, you know, what if he dies? What if you know, because I'd faced so much debt. Like, I've Mhmm. Lot of grief in my life. So it was like, what if he dies? What if I lose him? What if and, like, that's an energy of scars that comes down, scars that Absolutely. The body, and it was such a recognition and such a big, like, oh, woah. Yeah. Like, You're feeling like this isn't a not like, that there's not enough of this to, like it's and and tapping into that frequency of scarcity and that emotion, that feeling of it, it really Can go so deep into how and that was create that was creating a limiting experience for me to be able to show up fully to him, to even share, like, my fears and my worries. And it was like, the moment I shared that with them, he was just like, oh, babe. He just gave me a big hug, and he was like, well, we'll get through this together. It's it's all good. This is you know, and he totally understood. Like, had I not had that reflection and understood that awareness, I wouldn't be able to reflect that and then create that experience of love that I so so what was really the experience that I wanted more than anything was, like, I want that love. I want to just feel loved right now. Yeah. So cool. Every emotion has such a beautiful purpose, and every emotion is born from love. And that's a perfect example. You face the scarcity feelings head on, Expressed it in your own unique way and then look at how open your heart was. I think this is a really important lesson. If you For anybody that wants to live a life that they truly want, they wanna figure out what life they wanna they want to have is Feel your feelings. So cliche, but, like, you've got to. Like, your feelings are so purposeful. You were literally Truly given to them. You were designed to have them. They're not something that is just a novelty. It is literally communication. It is tidbits. It's Breadcrumbs to lead you into being your fullest, most expressed self, living a life that feels awesome. I love that. This is, like, so good. I I know everybody's been watching the conversation. You are, like, such a great being in your energy always. It just reminds me of, When I was in your coaching containers, I'm like, oh, she's so expansive, and I'm sure everybody listening is gonna feel the same because you're so grounded. That cat food just flows through you. It's like, here we go. I was gonna ground all this energy and normalize. It takes the right person, right, to get it out of me. So you you definitely your energy is Certainly, your energy is so open. It just, like, I can channel when I'm in your energy. So thank you so much for being an open Open channel for me. Absolutely. I mean, I just love these conversations because I feel like these types of conversations is what's gonna expand People listening, it just demands me hearing it. You know, it's just so you know, and that's what we're here too is just to learn and do I think we're that's what we're here for. I think that's why you and I are in In this world at the same time is, like, we're here to help people see things through a perspective that supports them as opposed to 1 that they were given. Yeah. Totally. So what's going on before we hop off? How can I'll drop all your your links and everything. Mhmm. But if there can people find you, just verbalize it. And then what's going on in your world now? If somebody wants to come in and say, I so wanna experience what it's like to be with Natalie. There can they find you and what's Where can they land in your world right now? Yeah. So Instagram is where I hang out most of the time. Um, I know Ray's gonna pop the links below, but it's natalie karen saya underscore coaching. Um, my podcast, which is getting a rebrand very soon, but it's currently under the Embodied Confidence podcast. So you can come and listen there instead of dive into my work there, um, all free access. Then paid containers, I'm my business model Changed this year. So every month, I'm running a master low ticket master class for people to come in and experience not only teaching, but breakthrough breath work, Which is a sequence I created to help people take moments that they get from teaching and turn them into breakthroughs where the body is in full understanding of what you've just learned, which is where integration is so important. We wanna be bringing teaching and embodiment. It's not 1 or the other. We need mindset and embodiment. So the master classes I'm running monthly, and then the group container, which, Ray, you were a part of the first round of this, the first cohort, Um, it's called attunement, which is where we take your feelings of wealth. We discover them, and then we attune every aspect of your life to your definition of wealth, Bringing together that, like, all those puzzle pieces for you to really experience your your life as a physical representation of what wealth view. And then private mentorship. Private mentorship is very limited. I only take on 2 clients at a time. Um, Currently, I have 1 space available, but, like I said, they are limited. So you can either wait list or jump jump in fast, basically. But, yeah, Those few things are where I'm open at the moment. Yay. I love it. And And the 2 months coming. Actually, the 2 months is coming at the end of February. So I'm not sure when when this is when this is, um, publishing, but, yeah, end of February. Yeah. It's it'll be out in, like, within a week or 2 of this conversation. So I'm gonna try not to upload for too long just because I know people are you know, have different things sharing. So that's cool. And just for personal experience so that I can, like, vouch for you, Natalie goes very deep. Obviously, this conversation, you can see that she has a wealth of knowledge, and she really does, like, walk the talk. You know, if you go to her Instagram, you will see. Binge on it. Watch it. She walks the talk. And in her container, she Truly delivers. Like, you're not getting a 20 minute just like, here you go. You're not getting superficial fluff. Like, she holds you through in a very comforting way of, like, moving through resistance and, like, no judgment. That's what I love about you. I was just like, yeah. Thank you. Experience, and that's what always Really landed for me because, like you, I'm not 1 that opens up that easily. I Yeah. Gotta be the right person at where I feel So safe. And and somebody can fully see me. So I am so appreciative of you coming on here and sharing. Thank you for having me. Yes. I appreciate you. I appreciate you. And I I know we said this at the beginning, but your evolution, I can literally everything you just said to me, I'm like, I'm just gonna reflect that right back to you because you are so multi passionate. You've got so much knowledge. You see things so differently that it's so freshing, and it's like an exhale being in your energy. And I think the world anybody who walks into your life will feel that. It's that, like, Hail of relief. Like, I've landed. I've landed somewhere where I need to be. Oh, thank you so much. Chills. Love it. Amazing. Yes. Cool. Alright. Thank you, Natalie. Thank you. Hey, untamed listeners. I am so appreciative that you took time out of your day to spend with me. I hope you enjoyed this podcast as much as I did, and I would love your support for this podcast. 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