Brooke Howsley: From the path of the warrior to the sacred path of the healer

For many lifetimes Brooke has been a seeker, a healer, a warrior…She is a Capricorn Sun, Aries Moon, and Leo Rising.

Brooke is the former owner of a wildly successful floral shop in Austin, TX and after her spiritual awakening, she woke up to this multi-dimensional aspect after grief and trauma handed her the opportunity to heal through plant medicine, shamanic journeying, and energy work.  

Brooke shares her beautiful story and how her spiritual gifts have evolved to travel across the country and host group immersions for all to experience. 

In this episode, we dive deeper into her story and also how she is using some of the most potent placements in her chart as a powerful channel!

She offers Shamanic energy healing blended with Rainbow Energy Healing remotely and in person in Hawaii as well as group immersions throughout the country. 

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Welcome to the untamed soul podcast. I am your host, Rachelle Embry, the founder of radiant vibes. I am a spiritual mentor and intuitive energetic alchemist for you, your animals and your soulful business. This is a podcast devoted to soul activation and embodied entrepreneurship. It is an exploration of inspirational humans who are leading the path to a new earth. Along the way, I will share intuitive insight and practical wisdom to inspire infinite potential in every area of your life. I am so excited to have you on this journey, so together, we can become untamed. Hello everybody. Today I have, as you've already heard in the intro, Brooke Housley. And Brooke, I hope I, did I pronounce your last name right? I should have asked before we started. I feel like I should know this cause I've known you for so long now. Um, but anyways, we have Brooke here and Brooke is a brilliant intuitive energy healer. I myself have had many sessions, I don't know, probably over the last five years. I don't know how long it's been because I met you through Courtney back, who was my very first guest on the untamed soul podcast. And, uh, yeah, Courtney introduced you and I together, and I was receiving healings from you. You've come to me in my world and received from me through different layers of mentorship. Um, I just feel like you're one of these people that just, it's like, I always circle back around is like, Brooke, here we go, you know, kind of this very soul sister energy and just Brooke has such a big heart. And if you guys find her, I know in her IG, which I'll have posted on here, she always shares these, I don't know, always, but you share a lot of these beautiful channelings. And one of her, I feel most inspirational gifts is that she's such a clear channel. And she shares them collectively. If you're in a healing with her, she has your own personal intuitive channel message that she'll share with you before she goes into a healing. And one of the reasons why I felt so inspired to have Brooke on the podcast, uh, is because she has been. One that has really refined her intuitive healing energy healing abilities where she started out one way and she learned, but she's really been amazing at bringing in her own touch and her own layers to it and allowing it to evolve and be what it is. And she blends shamanic practices with different, the channeling and what, where you started out, which was rainbow energy healing. And the really awesome thing about Brooke is she actually is an X, like I'll say X, a workaholic in the work force career. She lived in Austin, Texas and had a flower shop and she'll tell more of this story, but she was so successful in what she did and brilliantly successful. And, and then hopped into this whole entrepreneurial journey with the intuition, which was so opposite, but she actually blends part of that. Of all that she learned into what she has now. And I feel like that's always like such a good thing to take for it because you're never, you're never wrong where you're at. Right. And you're always where you're at for so many reasons. So I will stop going on and on about you, but I just wanted people to kind of know a little bit of our history and you, and I would love for you to share a bit about your story. And we were talking beforehand about some of how you got started in your spiritual awakening and how this all moved along from going from the flower, having your own business in the. I don't know what you call it, flower industry, I guess, you know, and moving into this space. And now in Hawaii, living in Hawaii from Austin. Oh, thanks for that beautiful intro, Ray. And our relationship over the years has just, um, accelerated my journey in so many ways. Uh, and so it's, It was just meant to be that Courtney introduced us and we've actually never met in person, which feels very interesting. And hopefully at some point soon we get to, uh, you know, give each other a big hug in person. Oh, I'm sure we will. I know we will. So yeah, you, you asked about my journey. Um, I feel like I had kind of a classic awakening journey. Um, I was, I owned a floral design studio in Austin, like you mentioned. And I thought that was kind of my purpose in life, right? Was to, to spearhead this, this movement about beauty and freshness. And, and I felt like I was giving people energy when I gave them a flower arrangement. Um, and then I had, uh, a potent cocktail of grief sort of land in my lap. Um, my. Husband, his mother passed away and then within about a week, my father committed suicide and it was really deeply impactful as you can imagine. I sort of took a step back and I was drawn to things I'd never been drawn to before. Um, I was not a person that enjoyed alcohol or I'd actually never taken any type of drug in my life. And, um, I had a friend in an ayahuasca community that mentioned this could help liberate you. So I felt drawn, drawn to go into that. It was a beautiful group. You would, you would sit with 40 other humans with ayahuasca. a very experienced shaman, his partner that was musician. And I had some of the most profound experiences I think a person could have, uh, through that journey. Wow. I had no idea that your father committed suicide either. Um, it's just, yeah, that's a lot in one week. So how did you move through, how did, so you started in all of that. And then I know you do a lot of like shamanic practices as well. And then. And, and started with a rainbow energy healing. How did you shift gears from all of that into making this your new path? Yeah. Um, in one of those plant medicine journeys, I saw myself playing with rainbows in my hands, like, like it was a slinky and I could direct it towards myself. I could direct it towards other people. And it took me about six months to Google rainbow energy healing. And I realized it was a modality that had been channeled. Oh my God. That's so cool. Which was, I just couldn't, you know, it's like when you get through the spiritual awakening process, it's this constant, like mind blown kind of, uh, revelations. And so I flew to Toronto. I trained with Chris Kasurian who channeled the modality and, um, I started, that gave me a framework to start. giving sessions to people. Uh, I also had spontaneous, uh, uh, past life recall of times that I had been like an Irish shaman woman, um, with, with curly red hair and, and you weren't sure where the hair ended and the vines began. Right. So very connected to nature. Um, So I started to have inklings of, Oh, okay, I've had these abilities in past lives. Can I bring that mastery into this one? And, um, I'm insatiably curious, um, as a, as a five life path, uh, in numerology, I need a lot of like change movement, freedom. Um, I get bored really easily. So I took that classic sort of. Uh, session style from rainbow energy healing, going through the chakras and. I would just get these intuitive feelings like, Oh, I need to, I need to bring in some of the, the little objects that my, my 10 year old daughter has made, you know, and they would expand in the session. Like, there's this piece of driftwood that looks like a bird, she turned it into a bird by coloring on it. And in one of the sessions, it became this magical condor of a guide for the person that I was working on. And so. I'm using these objects, um, and I bring in crystals and I bring in Oracle cards. And lately I've been working with a lot of essential oils like blue lotus oil, um, and Hinoki, which is Japanese Cypress oil. I just can't stop myself from making it fun. It's like playing around. Um, I would never want to get to a point where it felt stagnant or, uh, like I wasn't growing myself through the sessions that I give. Yeah, because you kind of did that right when you were in the in the flower industry you really burnt you from what I recall your story is like you worked yourself to the ground like so hard, and that was something that you were really adamant that I never want to go back to. And so for a long time it was like, I feel. That you just knowing this is like you, as so many of us do really, I'm not getting into that heavy masculine paradigm. I'm not going there. I'm not doing that. I defy that, you know, but then now you're bringing more of that in as you're starting to expand even more and you've been settled in your new home in Hawaii. And, um, gosh, I want to talk about that too, because what a trust and intuition, because that was just like such a journey for you and, and moving through that. But yeah, you like. I feel like for me, when I'm in your sessions and your healings, there's just this deep sense of ease. And I feel, yeah, this childlike energy, but it, it's not childlike as in this is lame or anything. Like it's not like, um, it feels very adult like, but it's almost feels very nurturing to the inner child. And, and I feel like that's such a great way of expressing it as like, I wake up. Out of it. And I, I just feel light. I feel at ease. And for me, tapping into my inner child is, is really hard. So that when I know there's like some deep nurturing that has to happen in my body, it's like, yes, Brooke is the one to do that. You know, this tender, you know, like very supportive space that you provide. And it's always fascinating to me what comes up. And after our last session, I actually got blue lotus oil, FYI. And it's always evolving for you. And I hadn't worked with you, gosh, for probably like a year and a half or so way before, I think it was before my dad died. It was before I met Ryan, actually, so it was probably two years ago, um, because you were, you were really an integrative part of that, and sort of call in this divine counterpart. And I remember going to Brooke, I'm like, I just, like, where is this person? Like, am I ever going to find them? And then, then the last time when it started this time, it was total, it was similar, but different. It was like, All these friendships have ended where like, what is going on? And, and you're like, yeah, there's, there's people coming, there's people coming. and I feel like as I share those things and I open up, it's like, that's what you're doing is you're opening up the space for me to receive. And it's a really beautiful blend. Like, I feel like your Capricorn sign like holds people in their body and in their energy so solid, but then you have this ability to bring in that feminine and just like allow it to open up. And it's really just. There, there's beautiful, beautiful sessions, which I just am always grateful for, because even the last one, when you said, I think there's a, a client maybe that you work with. And I was like, yeah, I mean, we're friends, but, and she's the one now we're collaborating on my new puppy, like this, we talk and then there's new people coming in through business. And I have Jenny with the temple. And it was like, you were so right. And I'm like, she says they're coming, but I don't know. It's like, here they come, you know, I love that. Thank you for that reflection. Um, I wish I could be as clear about my own life sometimes, too. That's why I need to do those, those beautiful, experiences with you, too, because you bring me clarity, um, that maybe I can't. Can't see because I'm too close to my own life. So, yeah, well it's that Capricorn. I have the Capricorn moon. You have the Capricorn sun and it balances. And because I referenced so much with astrology, I just want to point out that your Uranus, your natal Uranus is conjunct your IC, in your chart. So the IC is like where we bring in a lot of past life for better or worse. It could be like the darkest, darkest of the past. It could be the brightest, brightest of the past, right? Uranus is conjunct there and it's in the fourth house. Your IC is always in the fourth house. So, and it's kind of interesting that your father committed suicide because Uranus shakes things up. It can bring in this element of instability and in the fourth house with Uranus there, I feel like Uranus would pertain more to the father, and kind of having a parent that could have left early in that way, and then brings great healing. The other thing I feel like with uranus on the IC is just that you're such a powerful channel, and uranus is that higher frequency of mercury and your mercury is an Aquarius, which is, I always feel like those of us that have mercury and Aquarius, and a lot of people that come connect with me do, I have it. It's like, we are brilliant at channeling, you know, but then we'll go off in our day to day. We might not believe it., but then you have this Uranus there. Cause that's going to take it up even a higher notch. And so when that started opening up for you, did you feel like, what the heck is going on? Yes, absolutely. I had always been drawn to. Esoteric things and, you know, spirit guides and, you know, fairies and lots of, those types of experiences, but I didn't think I held it within myself. And so when I did go through that potent grief experience, I allowed myself to take like workshops about expanding your, your psychic abilities and, It just started to happen and it was kind of at the time it felt like a slow process because I really wanted it instantaneously right I wanted to just be like boom I'm always connected to spirit. And it really took a good few years to hone it and practice it and it's almost like you have to push everything else away. So you can hear that quiet voice and my spirit guides at one point I do channel for myself often. Um, at one point the spirit guides said that's why they moved me to Maui. And I live in a very rural spot and we have about an acre and a half of land. I'm not close to anybody else. They wanted me to get out of the beehive of activity that was Austin. So I could really. Drop into this quiet space. and that's something I've needed my whole life and people tried to convince me that I didn't need it. You know, like I, I would be in college. I went to,, University of Texas at Austin, which has 50, 000 students and,, my degree in graphic design. And they're like, you're just going to have to learn how to work in a room full of other designers. And, you know, and I was like, re really, is that, is that, Do I take that on or do I honor what I know that I need? I need a lot of quiet alone time to really hear. And so when the channeling first started happening for me, it was often in the middle of the night. The guides would wake me up, you know, at like two o'clock in the morning, everything else was completely settled and still. And I would just start to have these dialogues, like one of them, one of them was with the moon. One of them was with Mother Mary., I, one time I received, this incredible poem. I don't really know that much about poetry. So it was just like flowing, I could hear a couple of words at a time. I'd write that down, just keep going. It kind of just blew me away what started to happen when I allowed it to. And I'd also like to mention that, Some of the awakening experiences I've had were absolutely kicked off by other healers. So I saw a practitioner in Austin named Fran Bell. She tapped on my third eye and my crown. And that night I had a vision of her as a snake and it like, it really opened my clairvoyant abilities and I didn't mention it to anybody. I was a little, uh, freaked out by what was happening. And, So that continued to develop. I would see sort of movie like images that I could then describe. And that's what I do now when I do group energy or, or just one on one energy healing. I describe what the guides are showing me and, and telling me. Um, and then Chris Kasuri and also he, when he gave me a first session, He said, there's something across your solar plexus. There's this big band. Do you want me to just blow that off of there? And I was like, absolutely. Like sign me up for more abilities, please. And he said, I think you might start being able to channel, you know, like, like written, information after this. And I was like, okay, you know, if it happens, great. If not, you know, not to be disappointed. And, and, uh, later that day, I kid you not, I was like, I feel like I need a pencil. And that's when I started getting, you know, a few words at a time, like they would just appear in my mind. And if I was driving or if I was doing something else, I would know that this. dream like message was coming through. And if I didn't get it down onto the page, I would, it would evaporate and I would forget it. So I try to pay attention to that nudge now and like, Oh, I need to, I need to write this down right now. So, yeah. Yeah. Cause they come quick, you know, and you have that. Uranus there and then Mercury and Aquarius is very quick and and it's almost like I don't know about for you but for me it's it it's such a part of my day in so many ways that and I probably should start journaling what I have too because I get these questions a lot. And then it's like, what was that message later on? Like, what was it? It was so good. It really is just a part of life. And it comes in during these mundane activities, when I'm grooming my dogs, when I'm like outside, just like doing something in the yard, you know, it, it's not always just like when you're sitting there and you're like, come through me now I can, I can open it up like that. But like, it's, I feel. That some of the most profound ones, the most aha lightbulb moments are just an ordinary experience that comes through. Absolutely. I remember a time when, um, I was really struggling with my floral design business and I, I would walk into this restaurant and the inner, the, the very, you know, Um, top heavy kind of male energies were really bringing me down in that particular space. And one day I kind of was at my breaking point with it. And I got into a bath that night and I just felt Gandhi. appear in my consciousness. And he was like, my child. And he just gave me this beautiful image. He was like, I was walking beside you as you were walking around the restaurant today. And I just, it's moments like that. I just break down in tears because we are so supported. If we allow ourselves To open up to it. Was that hard for you to trust in all of that? I trust in that support. Absolutely. I, I would say that I'm a control enthusiast and my MO my whole life has just been to control my way out of things. Yeah. And trusting the universe that the things I need and the things I want will come to me. that was a huge shift in my life and. And like you mentioned, my move from Austin to Maui, um, I got so many messages. And, and just to, to tell the backstory to that, my husband and I had actually gone on our honeymoon to New Zealand and then we moved to New Zealand for two and a half years. It was a disaster. It totally, like financially was a disaster, emotionally, I ended up getting a, a tick disease and getting Lyme disease, tick bite and getting Lyme disease there. And in every way, it was probably clearing out karma that we had. There was things we had to go through to get to that next level to, to overcome. Um, and I'm grateful for everything that occurred. So we went back to Austin after that. And then I kept getting these messages., I had my daughter, uh, pepper there. We had the support we needed. I'd be driving and I'd see a car with a Hawaii license plate. We'd never been to Hawaii. We knew we wanted to make it out of the city at some point. I had this feeling that something was brewing before COVID happened. And I felt this real push to get out of, out of a city. And, um, I worked with, uh, worked with a healer and she was like, What about Maui? And just her saying the word kind of sparked something in me. And I, I looked on Craigslist and in one day I found a job for my husband and a vehicle for him, a school for my daughter, a place for us to live for two months. And Southwest had like three, three tickets left on one way flight. So I was like, okay, that's pretty cool. That is so, you're honest in the fourth house too. I was like, All right, I'm just going to do this. I'm just going to shake it up. It's like total leap of faith of just, here we go. Absolutely. And you know, okay, so, so when we moved to New Zealand, we sold our house and that financially allowed us to make that move. But this time we, we owned a duplex in Austin. I was like, you know, let's not sell the house immediately. Like let's maybe have a backup plan. And then during, during COVID, um, I was, we were renting it out on Airbnb and that's kind of how we were making everything work out financially. And a woman saw it on Airbnb and she said, she called me and she said, I want to buy your house. And I was like, that's it. That's the sign it's time to sell and called our real estate agent. He put it on the market and, and I requested that he ask a hundred thousand more than he thought. And he was like, okay. And we even got 20, 20 K over that. So the universe wants to support us. It, it'll give us the, the indications that it's time. Um, but for me, patience is really hard. I'm always like pushing. Yeah, well, you have the Aries moon, too, and that's, you have Jupiter conjunct your moon, too, so it's like, oh, when's it gonna happen? When's it gonna happen? You know, um, but so good for taking those initiatives. I, I hope you don't, I hope this is okay to divulge because I remember during that time, I think that's when you were in mentorship with me, um, And one of the things because I really want to normalize that even though you're like, okay, here's the sign and here I'm going to do it and you did it. But it's like all that was going on in that was such a massive leap of trust for you and faith because I remember. I remember money just being really tight and like, you know, and so I would love for you to share what it was like for you, like some of the struggles that you went through and trusting with that. And also trusting, leaving your business, like leaving the floral business that was so brilliantly successful, you know, and then moving into this path with this career, but also like, even with that move and., when money is just sparse because I'm in a position now where it's like, I'm, I'm fortunate, you know, but there's a lot of things leaving me, like a lot of energy has left me. And, you know, it's, it's all like, and you know, it's because something more is coming. Right. And you're kind of like, okay, this is because I, this is why I just like, I just spent this crazy amount of money on this because I know something's coming, but like navigating that in between when it's all messy and it's not come together. And you're just like, you get those aha moments of like, I trust this, I trust this is going to happen. But then like, there's all this other chaos in between. And it's like, absolutely true. Um, I, my life was no different. One of the reasons we decided to move was because my husband, um, Since we had moved back from New Zealand, he loved New Zealand. He blossomed there. He's a surfer and outdoorsman. I thought so. I thought he was thriving and you were like, this is the darkest night of my soul. Exactly. We, that never occurred to us that it would be magic for one of us and, and Total darkness for the other. But so we moved back to Austin and it flipped. He went into the darkness for like 10 years, basically. And I felt, you know, like I was thriving. And so we wanted to find a place where we could both experience the best parts of ourselves. And, um, I've since come to know that Hawaii. is amazing for all, like him, me, my, our, you know, our daughter, um, it, it, it astro cartography wise supports all of us. So that's pretty, pretty cool that we kind of happened to, you know, our guides led us to exactly the right spot for that. Um, I feel like I had kind of a soft landing in a way because I continued to own the floral design business. After we moved, I had a studio manager that was running it for me. And then during COVID, I knew I was ready to let it go. Um, and she ended up purchasing that business from me. And so I had a year of, of sort of, in, you know, a little bit of income, um, on the tail end of that, as I was transitioning more into building my clients, uh, at Sacred Owl Healing, which is largely what, what's supporting me now. Okay. So that's what, that's what it's Sacred Owl Healing. Yeah. Yes. Okay. And so like some of the, That chaos, like how did you navigate it, you know, and, and having that faith. I mean, cause it is scary when you're like trusting all this and okay. I hope it's all going to work out. It's it's so funny because, uh, I feel like I'm a risk taker in very specific ways, like if you asked me to dive off, you know, a 20 foot. diving platform. There's no way I would ever do that. But, but for some reason, moving my family to the most remote Island chain in the world was like, Oh, sure. Why not? Let's just try that. Uh, and, and I guess with, um, the financial abundance aspect of it, I had always kind of lived by the seat of my pants. And, um, as a kid growing up, my parents owned their own businesses. So I just had this innate understanding of. Things are just always working out for us. And that's, I still try to cultivate that. I try to amplify that, uh, in myself. It's, it's not like, You know, I'm a Pollyanna and I just, I just think no matter what happens, you know, we co create. Right. I know I don't have the easiest trust in that, but I have like totally different astrologically, my Capricorn moon is conjunct my IC. So it's like a very different emotional wave of energy, you know? And it's one thing I really like have to. Cultivate is that trust that it's all working out, you know, and it can be a little challenging for me, even if I'm in like the most amazing space, I'm still got this deep fear of like, Oh God, you know, is it going to go in? And so when I meet people like you, I'm just in all of it. And I feel like some of this, of course, and again, I'm going to reference astrology because you have your moon in the ninth house, you have Jupiter in the ninth house. Um, It they're in the sign of Aries, but the ninth house is ruled by Sagittarius. And with Uranus and your fourth house, it's like, yeah, you are going to be one that isn't going to probably tie a whole lot to fear and having that hold you back. And, and it's interesting because Like I make crazy risks, the people, other people, like in my family's like, what the hell are you doing? Ray? Like I've taken off and moving off across the country by myself with four dogs. And like, then I just bring in another dog. I now have six dogs and like, I'll, if I feel like there's something that I need and I'm like, so willing to invest in myself and like, and make these, you know, I bought an Airbnb and that didn't work. I just transferred it to a long term rental. It's like, so the, you know, these things, but it's like, for me, there's still this like, underlying fear that can be there that I think a lot of people experience, you know, even as they're making these moves. I'm always like in awe when I meet people like you, that's like all that sag influence of like, oh gosh, look at her go. And you know what has helped? It's been Uh, lately I have been leading these group healing experiences at a wellness center here on Maui, and I get to step in front of this, you know, whoever shows up, it's always the right souls that show up, and we take this deep dive into the energy, and I feel like we're a We're creating this beautiful circle every week and we're holding each other and we're floating in the possibilities. Um, and honestly doing that on a regular basis has stabilized me. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. That's a, that's that. Well, even being a part of that energy and like receiving the transmissions that you're probably receiving are very grounding for you. And I, that, that, I don't know where I would be without that in my life because yeah. So it's good to know that you still get support around that because I'm like, I totally have to have it. Okay. Cause it's, it's really cool. Cause you can get like, Especially I think once you get to a certain space in your spiritual journey that you've gone through like the really trenches you've gone through sort of like a lot of this deeper. Deeper transformation and so many death and rebirths of identity and then transforming and emerging as a new that you just get used to that as a, as a part of life. Right. And then, so I feel like you get to a space where eventually, um, you can just hear something that just shifts your energy in a blink of an eye and it's like, okay, now we go, you know, and it's, but it's still always such a human experience because I don't think we're ever exempt from that, you know, and there's, there's even like, you could be in like a great year, then the next year it's like all this shit happens, you know, and then you've got to navigate more and, and it just takes you deeper into it, which is. You know, but you, I feel like you do get to a point where you normalize all of that and you get out of the, this is happening to me versus like, this is happening for me, even, even if it seems very existential, like why it's like, it's always serving you for some reason. Um, but yeah, it's cool. I still have to remind myself, you know, I still get tripped up in, in the, um, a little bit of the, the victim consciousness and, um, having a 10 year old daughter that I can, it's, it's as if I'm reparenting myself, right? As I'm, as I'm growing with her. Um, and so, yeah, that's been really expansive to realize, oh, let's just, let's look at this from a different perspective. How can we reframe this? So working with kids, I think is really refreshing. Yeah, yeah. And it's kind of like, what is the truth of it? And if you don't have actual factual, factual proof to say the story or the belief or the fear is true, it's like, can you just, So I'm going to take a moment because a lot of people in my world don't really know how to deal with that. So I'm going to take a moment to just say, okay, not for me. And then lean into like, what is true, which is the moment, you know, and that's been really helpful for me. I don't have kids, but I do have dogs and they're really good at that. Yeah. So when you just, I want to take a moment because a lot of people in my That come through are usually emerging entrepreneurs or they're entrepreneurs that are making pivots. Um, I do work with people in their body as well. So I do a lot of soul alignment, healing with, with people. And obviously the animal communication brings people into that, but I really want to kind of dial in on your journey of transitioning from business into being a spiritual entrepreneur. And maybe some of the struggles you experienced around that of You know, getting started. What was that like for you? Because I know you had a daughter at that. She was, I think I remember five. So it has been five years. She was five at that time. Um, and you were supporting her in your life and then this move and, and having to like navigate a lot of motherhood and then also being a wife and, and like all these moves will also bring your business into the ethers. And leaving all of that and I just would love for you to share maybe some of your struggles that you experienced during that and maybe some of your like deepest fears as you had that because You know, what those were, whether it was judgment rejection or whatever. I don't, I don't know if you had any of those, but yeah. Oh, I had them. Um, yeah, I would say that having the bandwidth and the capacity to do all of those things at the same time, that was really challenging, but I felt like. I was really being led. I was being led by all of this, you know, my spirit guides synchronicity after synchronicity would just happen to me. And I just felt compelled to continue opening myself up. So, um, I would say one of the fears early on, I really had performance anxiety. So I learned how to do this modality and I would lay the, the client in front of me on the massage table and I would close my eyes and I would sense into the chakras. And when I remember being kind of terrified, like what if I don't get any information, what if this person's like trusting me and I can't perform under pressure? Um, cause I'd. I'd had some similar experiences like in high school, you know, and in French class, they ask you, they go around the room and they ask you to conjugate a verb in front of the whole class. And I would kind of freeze up. And so I feel like I knew what that was like for, to have that experience, but the more I relaxed into it and took the pressure off of myself to perform, um, the more it was just a fun, um, collaboration with the person and the guides would always show me funny things. Like they would show me. You know, um, like a rabbit from kind of Alice in Wonderland and make it, uh, enjoyable for, for both of us. And so as I practiced, I mean, I've been doing that for five years now, giving one on one sessions, both in person and remote. And I remember there was like, Oh, can I do it remotely? And of course it works almost even better remotely. Um, and then recently, I think one of the stumbling blocks was how am I going to make the amount of money that I need to make if, if I can only work on one person at a time, sort of while my child is in school, right? Like, like we're limited. And have the spaciousness that you need to be a mother and do the things that you want to do in life and take care of your body. It's like, uh, Exactly. And so then I started to realize it was being really pushed to go into leading groups. And so there was another layer that I had to peel away of, can I be in front of a group? What if, you know, and so now that I've been leading the, the The group at the wellness center here for, almost a year, probably it may be three quarters of a year. I feel completely comfortable. You know, I go in, I don't know how many people are going to be there. I don't know who's going to show up. And every time it just goes off without a hitch, everybody gets what they, you know, what they needed. They walk out with these like blissful smiles on their faces. And I realized I could scale that up. And just looking at astro cartography, that that Pacific Northwest corridor is really highlighted for expansion. And so that's, I'll be going to Seattle in March and doing one on ones and two group. You know, leading two group experiences, uh, in collaboration with the sound healer, Kelsey rising. Um, so I want to, I want to step more and more into that. Like I can see myself now, working at larger wellness centers, uh, leading, you know, different types of. Retreat scenarios. Yeah. And growing more into that. Yeah. I love that you shared that because I feel like it's so interesting how some, so I think in the entrepreneurial, like when you go on Instagram and you, and if you're like, In the entrepreneurial world that it's very, they really kind of teach people. If you want to grow, like go right into groups, go right into groups. This is what you need to do. You and I were completely opposite, but I also feel like as healers, you know, and I was straight up working with people and animals, like I wasn't doing one to one work, but it was very intimate, personal work, you know, and I feel like as healers, it's really hard to just step in a group because our abilities. Are so like bar, you know, where we, we, when we get in with the people that we're connecting with, we are an open channel. And, and so one of those things is like having a really regulated nervous system as you're doing this and feeling very integrated in what you're doing and being able to support people through all layers. Yeah. of difference, all layers of fears, all layers of like, they're sharing with you very vulnerable things. Right. And I feel like there's almost this like element of when I get into a group setting, it's a little lighter. It's a little easier yet it still has such. The same impact, but I also feel like we have to know how to work with the individual so that we can gain that depth and understanding of how to support them emotionally, physically, spiritually through our guests. And that's also how I feel like our gifts expand. The most it's like, this is how we figure it out, you know, and I love how you were one that you went in and you took your, your teaching and your training through rainbow energy healing. And then that was like the modality that started it. But yet you allowed everything else to come in your shamanic practices and you let your imagination expand with your intuition and bringing in, you know, the chakras, you literally have it all lined up on, on the bed when I see it and, and you're. Your trinkets and your cards and each one of them and it's so relevant to what I'm doing, but yet you bring such that like Leo rising energy that you have of this like flair of like that inner child coming in and it's just, I just feel like it's like everybody has to kind of understand that you have to start somewhere. And, and even like you having performance anxiety, I didn't have that. I had fear of like, is it enough, you know, is it enough? And am I going to be enough in that way? That was a big one for me. And, um, is it working? Like I deeply like, is it working? Cause they worked with so much health. I still work with a lot of help, but now I'm like, yeah, it's working. Cause even if it's not working, we're working with the emotional body and that's That's where we need to be, you know? And so if it's not working with the physical body, that's just like as much as we can do right now. So work with the emotional world and then we kind of bring it all full throttle, you know? And, um, it's just really cool to see people like you stepping into that. And I know, like, I think the last time we into the groups now, because you and I've been very slow to do that. And we both wanted it like, and I know when you did reclamation and you got your, I talked to you about your Saturn and Leo and I have Saturn and Leo as well. And one of the, the, the woes of Saturn and Leo, is it kind of like, you know, we want to lead, but it can, it can really bring this like fear of being in that leadership. role, but it's like, as you step into it, you realize, oh my God, I, but it's something that we deeply desire. Right. And it's just like, we're so afraid and then you're moving into it. Now you're like going to Seattle, you know, and being invited there to collaborate with groups and have one to ones there and doing this whole like experience with another sound healer and having what you're doing now. I know this podcast probably won't air in time, but I just want to mention it because you have, you're bringing it out. The guy that trained you for rainbow energy healing to Maui and you're hosting something there. So it's like As you stepped into that, you realize, Oh, okay. Yeah. I can actually hold space for this. It's like, we don't know till we just move through the fear. Right. Exactly. And, and I had all the, uh, the, am I good enough? Am I, am I enough sort of wounding to, and I had this experience, where I was working out one time and it's where you pull. The handles all the way across and then your arms are over your head in a V. And I realized I was holding a Trident in one hand and a sword in the other hand. So I had been a merman, a merman that had, um, had a lot of responsibility at some point, and maybe in that lifetime, I was killed with my Trident or I didn't. protect my people, right? So, so it's clearing these, these wounds from past life. Um, and the sword too, I felt like both of those weapons were things that I, someone had taken them and killed me with in that lifetime. And I was like, nope, I am retrieving those weapons. It was like, ka ching, you know, and I was like, I'm powerful in this lifetime. I, I own that. I put that out into the world now as a healed. It's always a, uh, an onion that we're taking off the layers, but, but that really, that realization of, of what had happened in the past and that I could reframe it and go forward from it was, was pretty powerful. Yeah. I'm glad you brought that up too, because I think with past life, some of my past life has come up in your sessions too, where you brought things up and, um, A lot of times people get really attached to like, well, this happened to me in a past life. So it's like, I just can't move there because this happened, this happened, this happened. And it's like, you know, the point of having these revelations of past life experiences to expose you in the moment, what you're currently working through. And I feel like sometimes they happen at that age, at that time, you know, that you were in this existence. Um, And in that existence, in that timeline. Right. And so it's coming up for you because it's like, yeah, here's the fear. That's that. And here's why, but this is your opportunity to reclaim it and take that back into your image of like, I could just see you holding the Trident and your sword. It's like, here I am. Like so, so healing to your Aries moon. I am the way I'm taking it back. Absolutely. And there, there was another really amazing example where, um, I used to attend sound healings all the time in Austin, Tina Rodriguez there is really great. And it was on a, a Valentine's day. And I had this spontaneous past life recall of hunting, like, you know, in the, the snowy tundra. And like with bows and arrows, and all of a sudden I got pierced through the heart, and I was like, who could possibly have done that, because I was hunting with my romantic partner, and I had this slow realization as he was carrying me that he had shot me through the heart. And he was doing some kind of, um, taking my power. Like I was in that lifetime, I was awakening to my spiritual abilities and he was sort of desirous of those powers and he was doing some type of ritual, but, um, like you said, like I went through these layers of. I really have to let that go. That is not my current reality. Um, how can I, how can I shed that and learn from it? And, um, it was important for me to remember at the time. Yeah. Um, so yeah. Yeah. And we do have to remember it. I mean, we have to have those reconnections and same with like the generational healing and. Sometimes I just feel like we can get really stuck and like that, but there's, there's deep energies that are there to witness of like, you know, just feeling into like that being shot to the heart of like how that could have impacted your current world, like not trusting men, you know, giving your power away to men, codependency, all kinds of things I could think about that could not say, I don't know what your experience was with that. I had a similar one come up around business where I had, I was running a business, but it was during a time where like women really couldn't be running businesses. So I was relying on men to like carry out these duties. And I just started getting resentful and pissed off that like they were getting all the credit and where's my credit. Like this is bullshit, you know, but I had to constantly hide behind it. I could never do it. So it was like me giving my power away to men and how it played out in this lifetime was like me giving my power away to men and like throw life and like, also not fully stepping into. I feel like for me into that really brave, bold energy, that. I'm here to do, and even though to other people, it might seem like, Oh, she's edgy. She's like, you know, whatever. But to me, it's like, Oh, there's more, right. There's more to be expressed there, but so interesting. Like you said, lifetime after lifetime, we're jumping from our shoulders of the last, the last experience, so it's like we can recognize it and then just accelerate up and, and grow so much more once, once we know what's happening under the surface. Yeah. So you take remote sessions, you do, that's, that's the only way that I've worked with you. And I know you're doing all kinds of stuff in Maui at this point. Um, and then you're going to be in Seattle when? Yeah, I'll be in Seattle at Pivot Movement Studio, March 21st through 24th. So I'll see private clients, uh, one on one clients the first couple of days, and then Saturday and Sunday, 23rd and 24th, we're doing evening. Group energy healing with sound bath, uh, experiences there. And then I'm hoping to, later this year, either in the summer or the fall, continue to find, um, organizations or wellness centers or groups that I can connect with and, um, If it's in the Pacific Northwest, that would be amazing. If it's somewhere else that Spirit wants me to travel, I'm super open. Like, travel is kind of a general theme of my life, so. Totally. You have all that energy in your ninth house. You are definitely traveler. No stagnancy for you and Uranus and your fourth. No. So what I would love for you to do is just like take a moment and if you could share anything, what do you feel like would be one of the most And I know this is so like, it's putting you on the spot, but I always feel like whatever comes through is the best to share to somebody who is in the midst of their sort of spiritual evolution. And they know that they have deep, like powerful abilities and gifts, and they are so ready to create, but they don't know how. And they're, they, they know it's in their heart, but it's like, they're just kind of stuck. Like, what would you say to somebody in that space? Yeah. And it's funny. I feel like I'm kind of a healer's healer. Like I end up. just happening upon people who are in that state quite a bit. And practice is the most amazing liberator of talent. I'll often trade sessions with someone when they're just on the cusp of realizing what it is that they can do. So, um, I'll give them a session and we'll sort of intuitively see what their guides have to say. And then I feel like I'm pretty open about, You know, letting people, uh, letting people work on me and they can just feel their way into their own mastery of what they're trying to do. So I would say Finding a friend that you can practice with that's not going to,, judge you or, or say that it's too woo woo or any of that kind of stuff. You need, you need to find a collaborator that you can, where you can grow together. Yeah, yeah. And then I always say like, because business is hard, online space is not easy, and the amount of energies that you have to move through, the emotional, it's like, it's shit that you would never have to deal with. in any other period of your life. Like, it's like, you might deal with it, but like in a different way. But then you go, you go out and you're like, Oh, I want to be an entrepreneur. And, and now it's so different than even when you and I were started. Right. Cause now it's like, well, now you got to know Instagram. Now you got to post, now you gotta, you gotta share your voice and you've got to get on video. Oh my God. And you're podcasting and you're this. And like, when you and I started, it was not that way. I mean, it was like, it was like, It can be really intimidating and honestly for me as a you know, 48 year old woman It's it's it is intimidating, but I feel like i'm being intuitively guided to what would be the best path for me Um, so I love oracle cards. I love visual beauty and I love beautiful words And so I feel like at some point it's going to be in my path to create an oracle card deck um, I also Love sharing stories. Like, I feel like I come from an Irish shamanic tradition, um, where story is just inherent to it. So a lot of the group things that I lead, I share some stories from my life because it really does connect my heart to the hearts of the people I'm. Speaking to, and so it might be that there is a book also at some point, and I'm not putting pressure on myself right now. Like I do have, you know, a child that's still growing. Um, I, I trust that at the right time in my life, I will have the, the bandwidth to create those projects. And I have experimented with certain, types of marketing. A lot of them don't resonate with me. I feel like I'm a one on one marketer. I feel like. If you can get me in front of a group of, you know, a small group of people are in front of one person, I can make a deep connection. Yeah. That for me is, is how I want to grow. I'm not like a, you know, send out an email to, to 2000 people kind of marketer. Yeah. Yeah. It, I'm so similar. It's like, I feel like, how do you explain when you're intuitive and you're in your, like, It's really hard to explain what you do, which is why I ran a free offer called the experience. I'm like, just come in and experience sitting with me because that's my marketing, right? That's me. And are you a three line or six line and human design and humans? Oh, you know, actually, I can't even remember. I we'd have to go look. Three and sixes are really resonant to telling stories because and you're talking about how I experiment. I wonder if you are a three line, um, at least a three line, if not maybe a six or something. Um, but yeah, because for me as a three line, that was really liberating because a lot of marketing, it's like, Teachers share your story, but it's share your story to reach these pain struggles. And that didn't work for me. It was like, no, I'm here to share my experience because I do experiment. I am one of the first ones to jump in and kind of see what works. And. And I have, I mean, I have invested so much and trying to learn, you know, Instagram coaching market in industry. And I, that's like where my new movement is, is like really energy first, because those things don't resonate a lot for spiritual entrepreneurs. And we are so led by our energy. We're so led by our spirit. Story and our connection with the people in front of us. And that, like you said, is like perfect. How you said it is like, that is your marketing. That's like the best way to reach people. And it's so hard to put into words what you do. Like I can sit here and we've been here for 40 minutes and I can share to people what you do. Right. But in one post, like, and I don't like talking to people's pain points and struggle. I want to talk to people to empower them. I want people to know, like, there's more. There's so much more, like, you get to, you, it's all an experience, right? And I just, so I love that you said that. Put out there with words like bliss and joy and transformation, because that's what my eye is always on. Right. Like I am, I mean, my business is named after an owl because an owl can go into the darkness and retrieve things and come back. Um, but if I continue to put my focus on what I want, and I want all of that in my life too. I want to. You know, explode with bliss all the time. I'm not there a hundred percent of the time yet, but, uh, that's where I like to guide people and lead people. And I feel like the, especially the group experiences when we. Come out of it and you just look around and everybody's smiling at each other and everybody feels like the weight has been lifted. And maybe we touched down into a little darkness, but we didn't overly marinate in it. Right. Like we touched it, we let it go. We shed. I like to,, visualize it as we're wearing all these garments. And so you're just peeling off that garment that just doesn't fit anymore. Um, there's all these beautiful visuals. You can lead yourself through to just liberate yourself. Yeah, I love that. So cool. Well, this has been awesome. I'm so glad that you're able to come on here and that we had to, got to have this time because they just, for you, it's like, I just felt like this would be such a great way to just normalize this movement into. Spiritual leadership, spiritual entrepreneurship, spiritual journeying, you know, and you help all kinds of people. Like you don't, you know, you're, you're always there for everybody and you're so gifted and talented. So if people want to connect with you, where's the best space. Yeah, my, my website, sacredowl. guide, is a good, um, area to access all that I do. Also, Instagram, at sacred. owl. healing, is great. And, if you do want to sign up for my newsletter, I do channeled, um, specific channeled messages for my newsletter crew. So, if you do go to the website and sign up there. And you can also see where I might be in your town. I'm traveling. So, um, sign up and, and, uh, yeah, see where I am. I love that, that you're doing your email, like with your channel messages. And I just, I know I said it at the beginning, but you're one too, that's really stepped into your potency as as using Instagram as like, a face for you for what you do. And I think that's so important for people to know. And like, you're using it in such an authentic way. Like I, I'm so impressed by your evolution and just being able to witness. And I'm, I mean, I think that's kind of the beauty of like, You and I knowing each other and being in this space for so long. It's like, we both are getting to witness each other's evolution. And for you, like, gosh, you know, being so brave and courageous to get on Instagram and share these channel messages that are just brilliant, beautiful, and it's like, that takes a lot of bravery, but then you do it a couple of times. And you're like, well, shit, I kind of like this. Okay. I'm going to keep doing it. It doesn't matter what the algorithm thinks. Cause I feel like we are the algorithm, like the algorithm is such a fake. marketing gimmick. So, um, and you are such a perfect example of that, but I'm so glad that you've been able to be here. Ray, you're one of my favorite people to talk about all things spiritual with, and this has been a complete highlight. Thank you so much. Yeah, you're so welcome. Hey, untamed listeners, I am so appreciative that you took time out of your day to spend with me. I hope you enjoyed this podcast as much as I did, and I would love your support for this podcast. I would be so appreciative of a positive review. This helps promote the podcast. and push up the algorithm. So more people can find me as a special thanks. When you leave a review, take a screenshot of the review and send it to me to at Ray radiant vibes on Instagram. 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